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Old 02-25-2010, 10:22 AM
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Tom Coburn (R) from Oklahoma says on live TV, government should have under cover medical patiants to stop doctors from cheating. I though (R's) were against big brother watching them?
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Old 02-25-2010, 07:53 PM
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Tom Coburn (R) from Oklahoma says on live TV, government should have under cover medical patiants to stop doctors from cheating. I though (R's) were against big brother watching them?
As far as we know he said he has pink elephants with jet packs on flying out of his rear end...got a link and a direct quote?
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Old 02-26-2010, 10:27 AM
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As far as we know he said he has pink elephants with jet packs on flying out of his rear end...got a link and a direct quote?

I don't know how to put that part of the summit or any part for that matter where he made that statement on AFF If you watch the summit you can hear him for your self. I think it was in the first hr.
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Old 02-26-2010, 11:08 AM
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Re: Doctors are cheat's says (R)

Typical off-the-cuff junk Light always posts....

Yes, Senator Coburn (who per transcript was identified as a Dr himself) said this:

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The biggest thing on fraud is to have undercover patients so that people know we're checking on whether or not this is a legitimate bill. And you don't know who's an undercover patient and who's not. And all of a sudden you start changing your attitude of whether or not you're going to milk Medicare or you're going to milk Medicaid.
But to single out that statement without looking at the context as a whole would be wrong.

Here's the context of what Senator (Dr.) Coburn was speaking of:

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We ought to go for where the money is.

What's the other area? What we do know -- and I'm guilty of this, Dr. Barrasso's guilty of it, Dr. Boustany is guilty of it -- is a large portion of the tests we order every day aren't for patients. They're for doctors. And the reason they're there is because we are risk averse to the tort system and extortion system that's out there today in health care.

And there are a lot of ways to fix that. But I just went through last night, if you add up what Thomson Reuters, which looked at all the studies that have been done and combined them in, they say between $625 billion and $850 billion a year of health care dollars are wasted.

So it seems to me if cost is the number one thing that's keeping people from getting care, then the efforts of us, as we go after cost, ought to be to go to those areas where the cost is wasted.

And there's a philosophical difference in how we do that. One wants more government-centered approach to that. I would personally prefer a more patient-centered, market-orient approach to that. But nevertheless, there's where we can come together, just on those two areas, where we could cut costs 15 percent tomorrow. And that's for everybody in the country.

What would -- what would happen to access in this country if tomorrow everybody's health care costs went down 15 percent? Access would markedly increase.

So what I would hope we would do is that we would go back and concentrate on the areas that have the biggest pot of gold for us. And the biggest pot of gold is, is we don't incentivize prevention. We don't pay rewards for great management of chronic disease. We have a system throughout the country where we're encouraging lawsuits that aren't productive for the country, and what they actually do is cause the cost of health care to go through the roof.

We also know there's some other real things that we ought to address. There are conflict of interests within the medical field. There's nothing wrong with addressing those and taking those off (ph).

We know that we do not -- we absolutely do not incentivize prevention. And I'm not talking about creating walking paths. I'm talking about paying people who actually do a good job to do prevention.

Talking about changing the school lunch programs where it meets the needs, nutritional needs of Americans. Changing the food stamp program where it incentivize people to eat the right things, not the wrong things. We actually create more diabetes through the food stamp program and the school lunch program than probably any other thing, because we're not feeding a -- offering and incentivizing a great response.

So I think if -- I think it's great that we're coming together. But the gold is in where's the cost excesses? And what I would hope we would do is we would look at that and say, How do we come together and actually achieve a reduction in the extortion that goes on in this country in terms of medical malpractice? And there's lots of ways to do that without us mandating states to do that.

How do we do that in terms of creating an elimination of fraud?

You know, when you compare the private sector fraud rates, it's 1 percent compared to Medicare and Medicaid. You know, there's estimates that there's $15 billion worth of fraud in Medicaid a year in New York City alone.

So we haven't attacked that. We haven't gone where the money is. And my hope would be that we would look at where the money is. And if truly it's accurate -- and I don't know many people that will disagree that $1 in $3 doesn't help somebody get well and doesn't prevent it, then we ought to be going for that $1 in $3.

And we ought to do it by not creating a whole bunch of new government programs, but by creating an incentive to reward people. In your new bill you have good fraud programs, but you lack the biggest thing to do. The biggest thing on fraud is to have undercover patients so that people know we're checking on whether or not this is a legitimate bill. And you don't know who's an undercover patient and who's not. And all of a sudden you start changing your attitude of whether or not you're going to milk Medicare or you're going to milk Medicaid.
I don't agree with sending in undercover pt's, but I do agree that Medicare/Medicaid fraud needs to be prosecuted and rules need to be tightened. Notice the first part he discusses that part of the non-relevent cost is because of "risk averse to the tort system and extortion system that's out there today in health care."

Tort reform will not only lower costs in hospitals and insurance, but will also lower costs and stop unneeded expenses to Medicare and Medicaid.

But you can bet your sweet bippy BHO and the dems will never allow Tort reform.

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Google.com is a great search tool. "Senator Coburn undercover patients" gave me the source.
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Re: Doctors are cheat's says (R)

A question I'd like some one that's an Obama defender and supporter to answer. The Obama bill is suppose to be funded by 1/2 trillion dollars by cutting fraud in medicare.

How much fraud have the democrats found and eliminated in the first year of their "reign?"

Probably the same amount that they would eliminate in 4 years of playing politics. "$ 0"

The democrats are a joke and they proved it yesterday. The head jokester was excellent in his arrogance. Some of his facial expressions were classic. He should get an emmy on his acting.

Some of his cohorts looked like they were about to go to sleep.

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My response to the comment made by Sen. Durbin is as a Medical Biller and having a BSHS in Health Care Mgmt. Health insurance fraud happens more often than people may think. There are so many things that health care providers have to be conscientious of when billing for medicaid and medicare patients. For example, just sending a bill to a patient that has medicare can result in a $10,000 fine. So a lot of fraud happens at the billing level. Also, fraud in medicare and medicaid is tied into illegal immigration. There are a lot of people that have medicare and medicaid that are not legal beneficiaries of either plan. Sending faux patients into a physician's offices is not going to correct the fraud. The medical claims are not generated at the time the patient is in the office. The benefit from sending faux patients into the physicians office would be to find out how the physician is interacting with the patients. The way to find out the fraud in claims submission is through audits and tracking how claims from providers are billed. This is why providers have a tax identification number and a PIN (their provider number). When dealing with this it is not a democrat vs republican issue, because neither are going to find the fraud. Quite frankly neither is performing audits to find medicare or medicaid fraud.

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