Were the apostles ever baptized in Jesus' name?

jfrog · #1 02-03-2010, 06:39 AM

Were the apostles ever baptized in Jesus' name? Scriptural evidence would be nice but I don't think there is any. Historical would also be nice also.

The other question is, why would scripture leave out such an important piece of information. I mean, we have fairly detailed accounts of Jesus' ministry. We can see the apostles doing foot washing. We can see them doing communion. But when it comes to them actually being baptized there isn't a word about it. Any thoughts?

jfrog · #2 02-03-2010, 07:21 AM

I did happen to find this verse.

John 4
1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

Which seems to say that Jesus never baptized anyone. That's fine. So who baptized the apostles before they started baptizing?

DividedThigh · #3 02-03-2010, 07:57 AM

well i dare say that there would have been no way for them to preach like they did without participating, hmmmm

jfrog · #4 02-03-2010, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh

well i dare say that there would have been no way for them to preach like they did without participating, hmmmm

So they must have because they preached it like that? That's definately possible assuming they preached it like that. However theres also a side that beleives they didn't preach it like that. So I was trying to approach this question from not knowing for sure which way they preached it. And if I do that then do I have any reason to believe that they were baptized?

Aquila · #5 02-03-2010, 11:41 AM

If your question was in regards to the Apostles being baptized, washing away their sins, calling on the name of the Lord, I'd answer yes. Most likely they were baptized by John via the baptism of repentance.

If your question was in regards to the Apostles being baptizsed with a Jesus name "formula" spoken over them by another, I'd answer probably not.

Water baptism has become of great contention between those who argue for a Jesus name "formula" and those who argue for a Trinitarian "formula". The problem is... both positions are in error. Water baptism was never "formulized". Water baptism was when converts were expected to wash away their sins calling upon the name of the Lord (Acts 22:16). No formula was necessary, the issue was the believer's calling on the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of their sins. Both we and the Trinitarians have ceremonialized it into a "formulized" sacrament. Frankly, a believer can be water baptized by a person who doesn't utter a word and if that believer is believing on the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins, their sins are remitted. This means that 100 Trinitarians can be shouting the Trinity formula over a person, but if the believer is believing on the Lord Jesus for the remission of their sins, their sins are remitted. This also means that 100 Apostolic preachers could be shouting the Jesus name formula over a believer, but if that believer isn't believing on the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sins the baptism is ineffectual.

Also, while many might disagree, an individual can water baptize themselves while believing upon the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and their sins will be remitted.

The key is the disposition of the individual being water baptized.... not the "formula" spoken over them, be it Jesus name or Trinitarian.

I digress.

All4one · #6 02-03-2010, 12:33 PM

At the last supper, Jesus washed the feet of the apostles and said if they would not let him wash them they could have no part of him. Was that a form of baptism? Would you rather have your feet washed by Jesus or be baptized by me? I would pick Jesus!

RevDWW · #7 02-03-2010, 12:35 PM

Was Jesus baptized in Jesus' Name?

Aquila · #8 02-03-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by All4one

At the last supper, Jesus washed the feet of the apostles and said if they would not let him wash them they could have no part of him. Was that a form of baptism? Would you rather have your feet washed by Jesus or be baptized by me? I would pick Jesus!

Actually, Christ's words were said unto Peter who refused to be washed at the outset. However, you make a very compelling point. Christ himself indicates that this "washing" was far more than just a foot washing. I'd always took it as an example of humility and service, in other words if they do not allow him to serve as their example they have no part in him. I guess both meanings could be true. Very interesting.

TJJJ · #9 02-03-2010, 01:13 PM

Yep, they all were! You say "no", I say "Yes".

Because the Bible is silent on that particular matter, and, because Mark 16 links Baptism to salvation, then I have to say "YES".

Furthermore, all the Apostle, excluding Judas, were there in Acts 2 when Pete preached and supported him in his preaching of Acts 2:38.

The preponderance of evidence will support the saying of "YES" to the question asked.

Jesus was baptized under John's ministry so it goes to say that he was baptized unto John's baptism. Jesus was not baptized for remission of sins but was beng Baptized for:

1- Example
2- The washing into the office of the Priest

Aquila · #10 02-03-2010, 01:44 PM

Good points TJJJ, one could accept that the Apostles were water baptized on Pentecost with everyone else. In addition, they very well may have been baptized by John. We do read that the disciples were performing baptisms in the Gospels during Christ's time on earth,

John 4:1
{4:1} When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees
had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than
John, {4:2} (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his
disciples,)