Regarding ORDINATION

[DAII]

Your thoughts on ordination as it is described here:

In addition, there are a number of qualified and proven ministers among us who have not yet been ordained. There is a special anointing that comes with ordination, as the church and Holy Ghost jointly confirm the call of God with the laying on of hands of the elders. It is not a formality but a breakthrough into a new spiritual dimension.

What say ye?

[Hoovie]

If I had to choose I would say a formality, yet it's possible that through the process one would find a new dimension and commitment in his spiritual life.

I don't see why it could not be both.

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by DAII

Your thoughts on ordination as it is describe here:



What say ye?

I've been ordained before in a pentecostal denomination. All I got was a vote, the ability to run for state office, and I had to kitty up 10% of my income to the state denomination along with all the special offerings at every event.

Its overrated. Many of my younger minister friends are covered by their local assemblies. I can think of a half dozen bible college friends who's pastors encourage them not to join the UPC. Many of their pastors maintain their license to keep the church in the tent, but they really don't encourage their younger ministers to do it because of all the hassle over going in front of a board over standards and the moral dilemma for most of them over the affirmation statement.

One of my good friends former bible college room mates who went UPCI/general license was on the phone with me a week ago and I was teasing him how he didn't have a TV to comply with the affirmation statement but he had all the seasons of Lost and Battlestar Galactica he played on his computer / widescreen monitor.

He honesty said he had no idea why the rules were there anymore in todays day and age of Hulu.com and internet video on demand... but he complied with the rules so as to not be a hypocrite to the letter of the law.

Why would anyone want to get ordained other than to run for office?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by DAII

Your thoughts on ordination as it is describe here:



What say ye?

I would say a new spiritual authority is more accurate. You can have authority (even spiritual authority) and not be a lick spiritual.

[Digging4Truth]

I'd say today's ordination is more of a organizational recognition than anything and I don't think any calling, anointing or authority between us & God changes one iota at that point in time.

[freeatlast]

I'd say a few words could be changed in DKB's statement and it would do the UPC more good.



FOR EXAMPLE:

In addition, there are a number of UNqualified and UNproven ministers among us who have not yet been EDUCATED. There is a special anointing that comes with BIBLICAL KNOWLEDGE, as the church and Holy Ghost jointly confirm the call of God with the laying on of hands of the elders. It is not a formality but a breakthrough into a new spiritual dimension.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I'd say today's ordination is more of a organizational recognition than anything and I don't think any calling, anointing or authority between us & God changes one iota at that point in time.

DKB feels differently as the quote is his .... in the February issue of the Herald.

[DAII]

Could it be that the # of ordained ministers has waned dramatically since 2007 with seasoned ministers leaving to the WPF and to the left as well .... and some to being called home ... thus influencing this call to ordination?

[freeatlast]

We do see in scripture the laying on of hands ...but was this ordination?


1.Acts 8:18
And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

Acts 8:17-19
2.1 Timothy 4:14
Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

1 Timothy 4:13-15
3.Hebrews 6:2
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Hebrews 6:1-3

[DAII]

2.1 Timothy 4:14

Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

I believe there is a lot to be said about the laying of hands ... but it seems Timothy's gift was given by prophecy through the laying of hands ...

I have witnessed many ordinations ... and can't remember the prophetic in operaton during these formal ceremonies.
The last being here at an STX district conference.