So right, yet so wrong!

[RandyWayne]

Here is a prime example of someone perfectly nailing an issue and making excellent point... then somehow twisting it to support the same old same old.

From The Rock Church. Nathaniel J. Wilson preaching on Concentric Circles Traditions
http://www.therockchurch.org/default...es-traditions/

It is worth listening to the whole thing despite the inevitable frustration at several point. He identifies the problem with over legislating and sticking to principles yet somehow.... well, you'll just have to listen. Let us just say that certain pentecostal traditions are so ingrained that the tradition of preaching against them carries far more weight then what the Word itself says..... (Listen to him comparing beards to heroin. The old "Well the bible doesn't speak against beards! It also doesn't speak against tobacco... or heroin or LSD!" It is almost something Peter Griffin, The Family Guy, would say.)

[missourimary]

RW, the video on the 7 steps... I was amazed. Their church is so dead compared to the one I'm most familiar with. The men didn't rush the platform and stand up on the altars yelling PREACH!!! No one beat on the altars or the pulpit with their hands. No one ran the aisles while he was preaching that I saw. No one shined the preacher's shoes while he was preaching, and altar call only had one song!! On top of all that, altar call was less than a half an hour long... man, these people are missing it, aren't they?

Sorry, very TIC, but there are varying degrees of Pentecostalism. I've seen some extremes, but this wasn't one of them.

[RandyWayne]

I just assumed the mic wasn't picking up everything. The camera is usually pretty focused on the platform.

I watched most of the 7 step one then nearly all of the Concentric Circles Traditions sermon. This is a guy who understands some of the base logic and problems with over legislating, then somehow, someway, uses it to support the current culture of.... over legislating. (Hint: A lot of it deals with 'the Man of God" and culture of royalty)

[missourimary]

Cameras don't miss people banging on the pulpit or shining preachers' shoes generally. Kinda hard to keep that kind of action out of range of every camera in the place, even if they tried. *shrug*

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I just assumed the mic wasn't picking up everything. The camera is usually pretty focused on the platform.

I watched most of the 7 step one then nearly all of the Concentric Circles Traditions sermon. This is a guy who understands some of the base logic and problems with over legislating, then somehow, someway, uses it to support the current culture of.... over legislating. (Hint: A lot of it deals with 'the Man of God" and culture of royalty)

Cat-O-Nine tails and sackcloth, and the preachers howling, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm not worthy, would that make you feel better?

How about if they crawl to the meeting, and after the preach the get paper cuts on their tongues, and drink lemon juice?

How about if they refuse to nod, or say amen, instead they shout out "we hate you, we hate you, we hate you, we don't agree, we don't agree!"

I had an individual in Bible study, and he informed me that he was upset that the Roman Catholic Pope said that Catholicism is the Only Way To Heaven.

I told the chap who made the comment, what could be wrong with that?
Wouldn't it be odd if the Pope made the statement that Roman Catholicism wasn't the only way?

Brother, the people love what they are hearing, they enjoy what they are feeling. They are excited, and can prove what they believe, with book, chapter, and verse. You might want them to abandon what they believe in, and mock their every step, but when it is all said and done they will keep doing what they are doing. I'm not trying to convince you, I'm just trying to say that these men are good men, and they love their people, and their people love them.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[pelathais]

You've been shinin' shoes again, haven't you E.B.? LOL.

[Jeffrey]

Interesting stuff.

2 forms of communication to find things of God:

Spirit of God is unmediated - relationship to God is direct.

Man of God is mediated.

Then he spoke about things that are cultural in the Bible, but have principle we should apply in the present time. That is the duty of the church leadership, he says. Principles... we make application. "I can do that. Like saving fish, more complex than that."

Yes, he used smoking, dope, bikinis, and men with pony tails. Sounds like he's saying they have to draw the line somewhere. What he doesn't addressing are unbiblical standards being burdened on the congregation and not otherwise encouraged.

Gospel meets society's challenges in each generation. There has to be application in spiritual and written truths to those particular situations.

Most of us agree with this. Principles should be taught. But the result in OP churches in not principles, it's new specific laws that they have no authority to create. Just thinking out loud. RW, I agree. Some good things about the msg, but loses me at the wrap up.

[Jeffrey]

At the end, he says his job isn't to develop, but to make sure they are saved.

This sort of contradicts even the most conservative of views concerning Eph 4. The gifts to the church were to bring the church to maturity in Christ (not to save them). Further, it is Christ alone that saves them.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Brother David

You've been shinin' shoes again, haven't you E.B.? LOL.

Would that be a bad thing?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Eph 4 is about the five fold ministry bringing the converts to full age. Therefore they also may minister. We see the same thought in 1st Corinthians 13, were the maturity is the fruit which comes when we allow the agape "charity," (love of GOD that works through man) to complete its work in our lives.

So, boys and girls get those polishing rags out and get to making those shoes glow.


In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com