1 Corinthians 15:24-28

[gfraley2008]

Hey everyone, I was just wondering if anyone could explain 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 to me. I'm a 21 year old oneness believer and Ive asked a couple oneness preachers about this and still havent got an explanation.

[jfrog]

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Good question. Couldn't it simply be explained with the Christ is both a man and God kind of explanation usually used though? What is the actual problem you see in that verse in relation to oneness?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by jfrog

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Good question. Couldn't it simply be explained with the Christ is both a man and God kind of explanation usually used though? What is the actual problem you see in that verse in relation to oneness?

Well, Christ was a man. Then that man (the human side of Jesus) died. Oh, but he rose again. So now He's both man and God again. So, is it that human side of Christ that is referred to as the Son, above? It he living and breathing and eating and drinking again? In Heaven? And subject to His Father, again? Etc.?

Ah, Oneness. Gotta love its simplicity!

[gfraley2008]

It's verse 28 that mostly gets me about the Son being subject unto the Father.

Also verse 24 about the Son delivering the kingdom to God even the Father. Also in that verse it says the Son will put down all authority.

[Nitehawk013]

When all work is finished, all things are under his feet and the last enemy destroyed, then the office of the Son will need be no more and will end. It will revert to the office of the father.

[Aquila]

I see it as a bigger problem for Trinitarianism. If Jesus is a divine co-equal and co-eternal being or person other than the Father, how can he be subject to the Father without violating his co-equalness? Here we see the humanity, the man Jesus Christ, being subject to the Father after having subdued all things.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by gfraley2008

It's verse 28 that mostly gets me about the Son being subject unto the Father.

Also verse 24 about the Son delivering the kingdom to God even the Father. Also in that verse it says the Son will put down all authority.

I always saw this as understanding the sonship, Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
In other words Jesus was only thought of as the son of God until in that office he fulfilled all things. Then we would no longer think of him as the son but just as God the father. As I see it Jesus is the only body of God we will see. As a fleshly body on earth we saw him as the son of God but when all things are complete thru him. Then God will be all in all and thru all we will no longer see him as the son.

[missourimary]

Sometimes it helps to read it in another version...

24Ensuite viendra la fin, quand il remettra le royaume à celui qui est Dieu et Père, après avoir détruit toute domination, toute autorité et toute puissance.
25Car il faut qu'il règne jusqu'à ce qu'il ait mis tous les ennemis sous ses pieds.
26Le dernier ennemi qui sera détruit, c'est la mort.
27Dieu, en effet, a tout mis sous ses pieds. Mais lorsqu'il dit que tout lui a été soumis, il est évident que celui qui lui a soumis toutes choses est excepté.
28Et lorsque toutes choses lui auront été soumises, alors le Fils lui-même sera soumis à celui qui lui a soumis toutes choses, afin que Dieu soit tout en tous.




Really very good question. I tried looking it up in several other versions. To me, it still didn't make sense from a traditional oneness viewpoint.

[missourimary]

Goodness, sorry, I didn't mean to kill a good post. Doesn't anyone here read French?

(me either.)



Try this:
1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Angels, being spirit only and eternal only, have a one time choice. The devils can't come back to God. Once they sinned, they were condemned eternally. But when God made man flesh, He made a way for man to sin and still come back. As long as man was alive in his flesh, he had unlimited choices of whether to do right or wrong. Knowing man would eventually make the wrong choice, He also had to make a way and a plan for Him to interact with man. That's why, Jesus is the lamb slain from the foundation of the world-not just since Adam's fall. Because God had already, with the temptation, made a way of escape.

That's also the reason that God drove Adam and Eve out of the garden. Not as punishment, not in cruelty, but to save them from themselves. If they had stayed and God hadn't guarded it, they would also have eaten from the tree of life. After they had sinned if they had eaten from the tree of life, they would have (just like the angels) been condemned forever.

These verses aren't discussing oneness or trinity. They are discussing a very different topic indeed-salvation. Since the foundation of the world, God's plan of salvation has been Jesus. When the end of the world has come, and final victory over death is won, we will no longer need a mediator in Jesus or salvation through him. At that point there will be no more need for the cross; our victory will be won.

Look in the end of Revelations. How often, as that prophecy progresses, is Jesus seen as a king, a victor, a ruler, a lion? How often is He seen as a lamb, as slain, and so forth? The focus at the end of time will change from our need of salvation to our victory in Christ.


Sorry if that doesn't make sense to all the deep theologians. Its hard to explain what I see without getting shot to pieces, because it isn't taught. But it seems to work, anyway.

[Raven]

Some thought provoking writing MissouriMary. Very good of you to help us see things from another dimension. Don't apologize for making us "think"!

Raven