This issue was originally being discussed in the thread on women pastors. Because all the posts on this topic do not carry over from there, I think it will be best for everyone to list whether they think Isaiah 3 is for or against jewelry and a few reasons why they think that in order to refresh everyone's minds on the issue.
I will list mine later, I just wanted to get the thread started as soon as possible.
Gladly and with great joy will I address this issue because I was raised UPCI where at least we could have wedding rings. But another issue came up while I was pastoring, when a sister came to me concerning another subject and said we preach such and such and she had been doing some study on her own and found things were not as we had preach as truth she said she felt lied to.
This cause me to go back to the book and ask God to put his word even more in my heart. Understand I thought I knew the word front and back by this time but things had been accepted by myself as the word of God if they seem to make sence. So now I began to question everything and study things frontwards and backwards. I found that most everything I had been taught as sound word of God (standards of holiness) were mans meanings and not what the word accualy said. This finally caused me to leave UPCI after 45 years. I hung on for 20 years after God showed me his truth.
Now as for Isaiah let me break this down s l o w l y
Isa 3:16 Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes,walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:
Everything listed are attitudes nothing has to do with jewlery, even the tinkling with their feet is hard put to make mean jewlery.
Isa 3:17 Therefore Because oftheir sensual, prideful,haughty attitude the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts.
the first thing God is going to do is strike their head with scab. This will take away their pride and haughtyness.
I would go on but I think anyone with a open heart to the spirit of what God is doing will get the drift.
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I agree that the women were condemned because of their pride and arrogance, not because they wore jewelry, styled their hair, looked in mirrors, wore perfume, wore bonnets and head bands and had more than one outfit of clothing.
My pastor told us of a preacher who preached that when Isaiah 3:18 said that God would take away "their round tires like the moon" it was a prophecy of how tires would be rationed during World War 2. That was preached during World War 2.
That may seem humorous but it's probably about as good Bible exposition as preaching about wearing wedding rings from that same chapter today.
I agree that the women were condemned because of their pride and arrogance, not because they wore jewelry, styled their hair, looked in mirrors, wore perfume, wore bonnets and head bands and had more than one outfit of clothing.
It never seases to amaze me how some of the doctrines of performance based religions are founded on such slim scriptural basis as this. They also use I Timothy 2:9 to teach against jewlery yet don't say anything about women putting up their hair in hair doos, and the scripture says not braided hair. They pick and choose what they want to preach against. I once heard a pastor preach against beards using I Corintians 11:4 saying the face is part of the head and therefore should not be covered. Aw well Only God is my judge.
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If Isaiah 3 is a sermon against jewelry, it's also a sermon against beauty, smelling sweet and "well set hair."
Why do people pick and choose?
Isaiah 3:24 "And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty."
The daughters of Zion weren't being punished because of their ornaments; their ornaments (among other things) were being taken away because of their sin.
Isaiah 3:16 "Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet: 17 Therefore the LORD will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts. 18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,"
The overall gist of this chapter is about women who draw attention to themselves both with their behavior and with their ornaments (making a tinkling with their feet). We KNOW that God didn't condemn jewelry across the board because of its legitimate use in other passages of scripture. However, one CAN use ornamentation to draw attention to oneself in an inappropriate way, the same as walking with "stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go" would.
"Mincing" is an interesting word...according to Strong's it means "apparently to trip (with short steps) coquettishly."
I've seen some completely unadorned Apostolic women "mincing" along.
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Last edited by MissBrattified; 10-14-2009 at 12:16 AM.
If Isaiah 3 is a sermon against jewelry, it's also a sermon against beauty, smelling sweet and "well set hair."
Why do people pick and choose?
Isaiah 3:24 "And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty."
The daughters of Zion weren't being punished because of their ornaments; their ornaments (among other things) were being taken away because of their sin.
Isaiah 3:16 "Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet: 17 Therefore the LORD will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts. 18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,"
The overall gist of this chapter is about women who draw attention to themselves both with their behavior and with their ornaments (making a tinkling with their feet). We KNOW that God didn't condemn jewelry across the board because of its legitimate use in other passages of scripture. However, one CAN use ornamentation to draw attention to oneself in an inappropriate way, the same as walking with "stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go" would.
"Mincing" is an interesting word...according to Strong's it means "apparently to trip (with short steps) coquettishly."
I've seen some completely unadorned Apostolic women "mincing" along.
Way to go missbrattified I checked out the tinkling with their feet but did not add it to my post. I love the way people fill in the blanks some times
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The same person who was discussing this on the other thread (not the originator of this thread) also says that 1 Cor 11 has nothing to do with headship, therefore all women are subject to all men.
No, don't tell him he's wrong. He's arrived, and he's right.
I challenged him to post a poll. He said I was silly for suggesting such a thing.
Chicken. LOL!
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