Thou Verily Givest Thanks Well...

JoeHardy07 · #1 09-10-2009, 04:52 AM

Hey Yall,

I'm back, and i've got more questions about tongues. Been doing some studying. If you could, Ilike you work with three points as honestly and true to the scriptures as you can. I do not need stories of personal experiences as proof of tongues. I want solid scirptures to back up these claims.

There are three (3) types of tongues right?

1. Holy Ghost baptism (no interpretation needed)
2. Prayer language - private or public (no interpretation needed)
3. Tongues and Interpretation - spoken TO men through men by God (interpretation required)

If there are three types of tongues, then there must be scripture to back up each type. So, if you please, could you provide me the following

A) A New testament passage of scripture, preferably in Acts, where tongues were spoken and interpreted as, "My son thou hast strayed...come back to the fold...be My son, and I will be thy Father...." Please see 1 Corinthians 14:2.

B) If the Pentecostal idea of tongues and interpretation is not biblical, regardless of your personal experience, then that leaves us with Holy Ghost baptism tongues and the prayer language...and Paul says we must interpret them, correct?

C) Finally, I'd like someone to explain the difference between the word "speaks" in 1 Corinthians 14:2 and the word "speaks" in verse 13. What makes the same word so different when Paul puts a requirement on it? Now, read verse 13-14 twice over, and tell me that speaking and praying in tongues are not the same thing. Lastly, read verses 13-17 and see just how many types of tongues exist, what message the tongues hold, and WHY we must interpret tongues.

You get a whole new perspective on just what tonues was all about in the Bible, and it's a bit different from what the emotional "personal experience" that many claim it to be.

God Bless

simplyme · #2 09-10-2009, 08:42 AM

Obviously you haven't had that experience.
Good luck.

*AQuietPlace* · #3 09-10-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeHardy07

A) A New testament passage of scripture, preferably in Acts, where tongues were spoken and interpreted as, "My son thou hast strayed...come back to the fold...be My son, and I will be thy Father...." Please see 1 Corinthians 14:2.

What about these verses?

# 1 Corinthians 12:10
to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.

# 1 Corinthians 12:30
Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?

# 1 Corinthians 14:5
Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.

# 1 Corinthians 14:13
Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray for the power to interpret.

# 1 Corinthians 14:26
[ Orderly Worship ] What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up.

# 1 Corinthians 14:27
If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret.

# 1 Corinthians 14:28
But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.

Of course, that's not a narrative account of it actually happening, but I don't think that is necessary. These scriptures show that there will be tongues and there will be an interpretation, correct?

KWSS1976 · #4 09-10-2009, 09:26 AM

As far as 1 corith 12:10 the only thing we see is the tongues how come no miracles or prophecy or another the ability to distinguish between spirits

as far as 1 corithians 12:30 everyone knows the answer is NO...

KWSS1976 · #5 09-10-2009, 09:31 AM

How come we always here tongues but no interpretation I here people speak in tongues at church all the time no interpretation ever...

*AQuietPlace* · #6 09-10-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

How come we always here tongues but no interpretation I here people speak in tongues at church all the time no interpretation ever...

Our church has interpretations.

KWSS1976 · #7 09-10-2009, 09:36 AM

Well would't you say they are going against what was being talked about in Corithians then...

KWSS1976 · #8 09-10-2009, 09:54 AM

As far as this scripture goes I don't see anyone praying for prophesy and he says right here prophesies are greater then tongues so why no have alter calls for prayer for prophesies

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,,,,# 1 Corinthians 14:5
Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.

JoeHardy07 · #9 09-10-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

What about these verses?

# 1 Corinthians 12:10
to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.

# 1 Corinthians 12:30
Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?

# 1 Corinthians 14:5
Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.

# 1 Corinthians 14:13
Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray for the power to interpret.

# 1 Corinthians 14:26
[ Orderly Worship ] What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up.

# 1 Corinthians 14:27
If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret.

# 1 Corinthians 14:28
But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.

Of course, that's not a narrative account of it actually happening, but I don't think that is necessary. These scriptures show that there will be tongues and there will be an interpretation, correct?

There MUST be interpretations were there are tongues or the speaker has abused the gift and the greater purpose is not fulfilled. My argument was that there is no such animal (Biblically, that is) as the Pentecostal version of tongues and interpretation where tongues are spoken with a message for man. WHENEVER tongues are spoken they are to be interpreted as PRAISE AND WORSHIP directed TO God that all may give thanks or that unbelievers may be convinced of the solidity of the Gospel.

When one reads 1 Corinthians 14 in this light and then compares it to Acts chapter 2, one finds not only that both passages back up one another without question but also that tongues, the one true gift of tongues not the three invented at the birth of 20th Century Pentecostalism, is much more selfless and holds a greater purpose than what we have been taught. What is that purpose? 1 Corinthians 14:12 and 22.

JoeHardy07 · #10 09-10-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Our church has interpretations.

It is not enough to have interpretations. Those interpretations must follow scripture: 1 Corinthians 14: 16-17. EVERY intepretation will be praise and worship to God, and I can back this up with scripture. In fact, every account of tongues in the book of Acts (2, 10, and 19) leaves little doubt who the tongues were directed toward. Yes, they served as a sign for unbelievers, but the content of those tongues held a message directed TO GOD, not man. Not once in scripture were tongues spoken TO man...only FOR men, and more specifically, unbelievers.