Saul Mentality

Praxeas · #1 02-13-2007, 08:34 PM

What was it about Saul and David? Saul was told to wait for the man of God to come. He was told what to do.

He chose not to wait and instead took matters into his own hands.

I wonder how often we do that as individuals and churches. Not wait. Not wait on God...not wait on His timing and the move of His Spirit...

And instead take matters into our own hands...I was thinking of the barna report of the dwindling numbers in our churches....a lot of folks go to churches where their is no real move of the Holy Spirit. What they have is a Jesus that is a great teacher. His words are great to apply to our lives. Yet they don't spend time waiting anymore in prayer for a move of the Holy Spirit.

All the great revivals were about prayer...not about programs. Not about music. Not about arguments over standards or TVs.....they prayed and waited prayerfully.

Men of God noted as great revivalists spent much time in the closet in prayer.

Are we moving towards a Saul mentality where we try to do things our own way rather than just waiting for Him to do it His way?

The thing that got Pentecostals here was never the music, nor the feel good Osteenish teaching sessions.....it was the genuine moving of the Holy Spirit in a profound way...a way that drove even the sincerest of saints to their knees with tears....a way where deaf ears were opened and blind eyes see...and not metaphorically speaking.

Problems were not relegated to a counseling session or to a doctor visit.

Im not poopooing any of the above btw....but I just wonder are we allowing ourselves to have a Saul mentality with the things of God with regards to ourselves individually....locally and Universally?

Do we have or even advocate the Azusa street like prayer meetings and unity? Or the Day of Pentecost type waiting and waiting for the Spirit to be poured out?

Does the band start playing a little to early? Does the fellowship interrupt a greater move of God? Could it be that we can have much much more and that infact God wants to give us much much more but we are not waiting for Him long enough and instead take matters into our own hands?

COOPER · #2 02-13-2007, 08:42 PM

Better to be a King David he was a sinner guitar player that followed after Gods own heart.

Praxeas · #3 02-13-2007, 08:43 PM

And he knew how to wait on God!

Charlie Brown · #4 02-13-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by COOPER

Better to be a King David he was a sinner guitar player that followed after Gods own heart.

That scripture could be interpreted 2 ways.

1. David was a man that was after God with his heart
2. David was a man that God loved with his heart

COOPER · #5 02-13-2007, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

And he knew how to wait on God!

I like David, he brings me hope. He failed God many times. But he had a good heart and was honest.

Praxeas · #6 02-13-2007, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by COOPER

I like David, he brings me hope. He failed God many times. But he had a good heart and was honest.

He didn't try to deny his sinfulness and blame it on someone else or slyly ignore his own sinfulness to hype someone elses. When he was discovered, instead he humbled himself

Arphaxad · #7 02-13-2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

He didn't try to deny his sinfulness and blame it on someone else or slyly ignore his own sinfulness to hype someone elses. When he was discovered, instead he humbled himself

and he realized he was sinning against God, I think that if we all realized we were sinning against God and not just another person or ourselves there would be a lot more people humbling themselves and repenting.

Rhoni · #8 02-14-2007, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

What was it about Saul and David? Saul was told to wait for the man of God to come. He was told what to do.

He chose not to wait and instead took matters into his own hands.

I wonder how often we do that as individuals and churches. Not wait. Not wait on God...not wait on His timing and the move of His Spirit...

And instead take matters into our own hands...I was thinking of the barna report of the dwindling numbers in our churches....a lot of folks go to churches where their is no real move of the Holy Spirit. What they have is a Jesus that is a great teacher. His words are great to apply to our lives. Yet they don't spend time waiting anymore in prayer for a move of the Holy Spirit.

All the great revivals were about prayer...not about programs. Not about music. Not about arguments over standards or TVs.....they prayed and waited prayerfully.

Men of God noted as great revivalists spent much time in the closet in prayer.

Are we moving towards a Saul mentality where we try to do things our own way rather than just waiting for Him to do it His way?

The thing that got Pentecostals here was never the music, nor the feel good Osteenish teaching sessions.....it was the genuine moving of the Holy Spirit in a profound way...a way that drove even the sincerest of saints to their knees with tears....a way where deaf ears were opened and blind eyes see...and not metaphorically speaking.

Problems were not relegated to a counseling session or to a doctor visit.

Im not poopooing any of the above btw....but I just wonder are we allowing ourselves to have a Saul mentality with the things of God with regards to ourselves individually....locally and Universally?

Do we have or even advocate the Azusa street like prayer meetings and unity? Or the Day of Pentecost type waiting and waiting for the Spirit to be poured out?

Does the band start playing a little to early? Does the fellowship interrupt a greater move of God? Could it be that we can have much much more and that infact God wants to give us much much more but we are not waiting for Him long enough and instead take matters into our own hands?

You know...it's a thought but what I enjoyed was the church in Clearwater, Floirda...30 minutes before service started we had corporate prayer, not fellwoship...we prayed and invited the spirit of God into the service and he was there from the opening worship to the closing altar service...

The Saul mentality might be other places...but not where I came from.

Blessings, Rhoni

P.S. Most of what I observe in churches is too much waiting and nothing ever getting done.

#9 02-14-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

What was it about Saul and David? Saul was told to wait for the man of God to come. He was told what to do.

He chose not to wait and instead took matters into his own hands.

I wonder how often we do that as individuals and churches. Not wait. Not wait on God...not wait on His timing and the move of His Spirit...

And instead take matters into our own hands...I was thinking of the barna report of the dwindling numbers in our churches....a lot of folks go to churches where their is no real move of the Holy Spirit. What they have is a Jesus that is a great teacher. His words are great to apply to our lives. Yet they don't spend time waiting anymore in prayer for a move of the Holy Spirit.

All the great revivals were about prayer...not about programs. Not about music. Not about arguments over standards or TVs.....they prayed and waited prayerfully.

Men of God noted as great revivalists spent much time in the closet in prayer.

Are we moving towards a Saul mentality where we try to do things our own way rather than just waiting for Him to do it His way?

The thing that got Pentecostals here was never the music, nor the feel good Osteenish teaching sessions.....it was the genuine moving of the Holy Spirit in a profound way...a way that drove even the sincerest of saints to their knees with tears....a way where deaf ears were opened and blind eyes see...and not metaphorically speaking.

Problems were not relegated to a counseling session or to a doctor visit.

Im not poopooing any of the above btw....but I just wonder are we allowing ourselves to have a Saul mentality with the things of God with regards to ourselves individually....locally and Universally?

Do we have or even advocate the Azusa street like prayer meetings and unity? Or the Day of Pentecost type waiting and waiting for the Spirit to be poured out?

Does the band start playing a little to early? Does the fellowship interrupt a greater move of God? Could it be that we can have much much more and that infact God wants to give us much much more but we are not waiting for Him long enough and instead take matters into our own hands?

Too late: we're already there and have been there since at least the 1980s.

berkeley · #10 02-14-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

That scripture could be interpreted 2 ways.

1. David was a man that was after God with his heart
2. David was a man that God loved with his heart

Majority, if not consensus in the UPCI teach that David had the heart of God, ie, he thought like God, etc.. and this is the sand that is built upon to teach: the pastor has the heart of God, blind obedience is a must, even when the pastor is wrong, he is right!!