Am I God?

[JoeHardy07]

Hey,

I'm having some problems. I believe that Jesus is God. My problem comes from John 17:20-26.

In this passage Jesus is praying for his disciples and all those that believe in His name. Jesus desires that all the believers be one as He (Jesus) and the Father are one. Jesus says in the latter part of 22, "...that they may be one, even as we are one."

Uhm...Ok, Jesus is God, right? When I read Jesus' statement, "I and my Father are one," I have the understanding that Jesus is God. My trouble comes when Jesus says that he wants all the believers to be one with God too.

So, I believe in Jesus. Does this mean that I am one with the Father? Does this mean that I am God????

I'm really perplexed here.

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by JoeHardy07

Hey,

I'm having some problems. I believe that Jesus is God. My problem comes from John 17:20-26.

In this passage Jesus is praying for his disciples and all those that believe in His name. Jesus desires that all the believers be one as He (Jesus) and the Father are one. Jesus says in the latter part of 22, "...that they may be one, even as we are one."

Uhm...Ok, Jesus is God, right? When I read Jesus' statement, "I and my Father are one," I have the understanding that Jesus is God. My trouble comes when Jesus says that he wants all the believers to be one with God too.

So, I believe in Jesus. Does this mean that I am one with the Father? Does this mean that I am God????

I'm really perplexed here.

Metaphor, euphemism of being "in Christ." If we are "in Christ" then we too are "one with the Father." Further, there is no distinguishing between Christ and The Father -- they are seamless. One is the compliment, expression of the other. Even so, Christ wants unity in the body, and for us to also have no individual identity, but to be one body. Wow... there's a lot to this verse actually. Thanks for sharing your question -- and NO you are not God, thankfully

[mfblume]

The oneness of Christ and the Father in the verses you cite, JoeHardy07, is not of person, but unity of agreement. That is the only unity that trinity teaching accepts, though, BTW. However, there is also the unity of person with Christ and God, but that is not the issue in John 17.

Christ is one with God as we are meant to be one with Christ and God. So it is a unity of agreement and will. Not of person. But other passages teach oneness of person.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by JoeHardy07

Hey,

I'm having some problems. I believe that Jesus is God. My problem comes from John 17:20-26.

In this passage Jesus is praying for his disciples and all those that believe in His name. Jesus desires that all the believers be one as He (Jesus) and the Father are one. Jesus says in the latter part of 22, "...that they may be one, even as we are one."

Uhm...Ok, Jesus is God, right? When I read Jesus' statement, "I and my Father are one," I have the understanding that Jesus is God. My trouble comes when Jesus says that he wants all the believers to be one with God too.

So, I believe in Jesus. Does this mean that I am one with the Father? Does this mean that I am God????

I'm really perplexed here.

Jn 10:30 and the other verses are two different contexts. In the other he is speaking of unity not ontological oneness with the Divine Spirit

[pastorrick1959]

gods name is JESUS . but the son of god is not god. rather the son fulfilling his purpose and duty of god. he said i ascend to my god and your god. when peter stated when JESUS ASKED WHO DO MEN SAY THAT I THE SON OF MAN AM. PETER SAID THOU ART THE CHRSIT son OF THE LIVING GOD ..JESUS did not scold him for that but rather blessed him for knowing who he really was. god is SPIRIT .. god cant die , god cant be temepted with evil .. the list goes on and on!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by pastorrick1959

gods name is JESUS . but the son of god is not god. rather the son fulfilling his purpose and duty of god. he said i ascend to my god and your god. when peter stated when JESUS ASKED WHO DO MEN SAY THAT I THE SON OF MAN AM. PETER SAID THOU ART THE CHRSIT son OF THE LIVING GOD ..JESUS did not scold him for that but rather blessed him for knowing who he really was. god is SPIRIT .. god cant die , god cant be temepted with evil .. the list goes on and on!

You do believe the person of the Son of God is the person of God, though, right?

Have any thoughts on this verse?

Hebrews 1:8 KJV But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

This indicates Son of God is considered God from the perspective of His person, as well as a contrast from God in the perspective of His manifestation as man.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You do believe the person of the Son of God is the person of God, though, right?

Have any thoughts on this verse?

Hebrews 1:8 KJV But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

This indicates Son of God is considered God from the perspective of His person, as well as a contrast from God in the perspective of His manifestation as man.

God was manifested IN the Son (body). God was in Christ. When the Father's
(Spirit's) plan for the son of man was finished,the Spirit raised him up to
where he was before he came to earth.

God searched for a man to make up the hedge and stand in the gap for the
land, that He should not destroy it, but He found none.

So Spirit came in a body (prepared) to do what man was not able or willing
to do. Then that Spirit drew the body up and sat it on the right hand of God.
I was kind of like my late pastor's "right hand " "woman" in that I worked
alongside him in the church he pastored.
Some things he was not able to do. There are some things a Spirit need
a body to do. A spirit can't die. God still works in bodies of men, and women
today, by the Spirit. He's the Power-pack! We are the means for the Power-
pack to move around in. A spirit needs a mouth, ears, eyes, hands, feet, to
operate through. He's the BRAIN, THE HEAD. We're the Body the Spirit works
through on earth. Jesus was the body the Spirit used as an example for us to
follow.

If we have the Spirit of The Living God inside us, and we allow Him to lead
us, we can become His sons and daughters too. Our bodies are the temples
of the Holy Spirit. A body without the Spirit is dead, being alone.

Just some thoughts!!

Falla39

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by JoeHardy07

Hey,

I'm having some problems. I believe that Jesus is God. My problem comes from John 17:20-26.

In this passage Jesus is praying for his disciples and all those that believe in His name. Jesus desires that all the believers be one as He (Jesus) and the Father are one. Jesus says in the latter part of 22, "...that they may be one, even as we are one."

Uhm...Ok, Jesus is God, right? When I read Jesus' statement, "I and my Father are one," I have the understanding that Jesus is God. My trouble comes when Jesus says that he wants all the believers to be one with God too.

So, I believe in Jesus. Does this mean that I am one with the Father? Does this mean that I am God????

I'm really perplexed here.

It's interesting to me to see how people explain Jesus and Who He is compared to the overall Godhead. There is such diverse explanations about Who/how Jesus is.

I then laugh at how some then want to make understanding the "Godhead" a heaven and hell issue. If that is a true theology (the Godhead being a heaven/hell issue) I think that 99.957% of those who call themselves Christian will end up in hell

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

It's interesting to me to see how people explain Jesus and Who He is compared to the overall Godhead. There is such diverse explanations about Who/how Jesus is.

I then laugh at how some then want to make understanding the "Godhead" a heaven and hell issue. If that is a true theology (the Godhead being a heaven/hell issue) I think that 99.957% of those who call themselves Christian will end up in hell :ursofunny

By the same judgment we judge others will be the way we will be judged. We must not judge, lest we
be judged.

No offense intended.

Falla39

[mfblume]

I know I never understood godhead theology when I first experienced Acts 2:38. I believe I was saved, though, since Acts 2:38 did not include taking a three year course on Godhead theology.