What Is The Second Death ?

[Scott Hutchinson]

The book of Revelation speaks about a second death,death and hell are cast into the lake of fire,and this is the second death,why is this called a second death.
This would imply a spiritual death,I would think just what would be a second death be ?

[mizpeh]

Separation from the presence of God forever.

I'm not sure how this is done since God is omnipresent but it sounds horrible.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Let me ask something in sincerity since the word death is mentioned does this imply that a punishing and not a punishment might cease after a period of time ?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Let me ask something in sincerity since the word death is mentioned does this imply that a punishing and not a punishment might cease after a period of time ?

some people believe so.
that the lake of fire is eternal punishment, not eternal punishing.
some use Mal 4:1-3

[Scott Hutchinson]

Here is a question the wicked are to be punished and it will be horrible,but since mankind lost immortality in the Garden of Eden do those outside of Christ have immortality ?
Are sinners given immortal bodies in the final resurrection ?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Here is a question the wicked are to be punished and it will be horrible,but since mankind lost immortality in the Garden of Eden do those outside of Christ have immortality ?
Are sinners given immortal bodies in the final resurrection ?

The key is Man has never been an immortal being. Even Adam was not. Remember Elohim said he must keep Adam and Eve from the tree of life lest they eat of it and live forever.

22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Gen. 3:22

So man does not have immortality apart from it being given him through Christ.

6: Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: Romans 2:6-7

It is actually believers who will in the future resurrection be granted immortality not the sinners.

51: Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52: In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53: For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54: So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55: O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 1 Cor. 15:51-55

The sinners because they are not immortal are subject to the second death. That is when they are judged and found unworthy of eternal life. They will then be cast into the lake of fire where they will PERISH forever.

16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

This most well known verse in scripture demonstrates for us the contrast in the reward of the Saints and the punishment of the wicked. Jesus came that the wicked might not PERISH but rather have ETERNAL LIFE.

Obviously eternal life is not something man already had apart from his faith in Jesus.

[mfblume]

Is there such a thing as eternal death?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Is there such a thing as eternal death?

Sure in scripture its referred to as "outer darkness". Also the "blackness of darkness" forever.

The soul that sinneth it shall die. Ezekiel 18:4.

Every soul that will not hear Yeshua will be destroyed from among the people said Peter in Acts 3:23