It was never about money...

Rhoni · #1 04-01-2009, 07:46 AM

Good morning everyone! As many of you know I have been studying the life of Christ and the gospels. Something that has stuck out in my Pentecostal feminist mind: When reading the 14th chapter of St. Mark, I find that directly following the anointing of Christ by the woman with the alabaster box - Judas went out and conspired with the chief priests to betray Jesus.

This happened after the discussion about the woman who would waste such precious perfumed ointment on Jesus when the discussion was why the money was not instead used for distribution to the poor. Jesus reply was that the poor are always there and going to be there and you can give to them any time you want...but this woman was sensitive to what was happening and anointed Jesus out of worship knowing His time among them was limited.

I have some thoughts on why Judas did what he did...but I am interested in knowing if anyone else has thought about this?

In His Grip,
Rhoni

Rhoni · #2 04-01-2009, 08:28 AM

My thoughts on this include the male and female issue that I presume started in the garden of Eden. While the men were discussing and condemning this woman for her audacity to approach the master and anoint him with the expensive perfume, they were chided by the master for their thoughts and even the discussion they were involved in.

When real worhsip and anointing is happening then those who are not sensitive to the spirit, for whatever reason, then they find fault and get offended with the one who is moving in the spirit. It happens more often across male female lines but is not exclusive. If you notice those who have come under attack on this forum, who are not necessarily part of the forum but because of their successes in church growth, or anointing in their ministry...people get on the bandwagon and start the justifications for their lack of anointing or success: such as; "they must be compromising", they are inflating numbers, or stuff & such.

Thes is not all I was thinking about...

Rhoni · #3 04-01-2009, 08:30 AM

Personal Experience:

The last time I felt truly 'anointed' was attending a home church under direction of Esther in Houston. I led songs, and worshipped to CeCe Winans soundtrack, "Alabaster Box". From that moment in time all hell broke loose through every are of my life, and the tempter came on the scene to seduce me into compromising my value system in a certain area. The devil unleashed an onslaught of happenings to try to kill/stop and destroy my anointing.

I have been set back, but am not defeated. There will always be those who would condemn or deny anointing on someone else. If a truly anointed woman then obviously men would attack - just like Judas who thought it sould have been all about him. Well he made it all about him and ended up hanging by his own noose.

I said all that to say...anointing should be cherished and protected as true worship comes from a broken heart who has found a refuge and is thankful.

Just some more of my thoughts on this scripture and issues surrounding it. The funny thing is I can forsee one justification: Judas was predestined to betray Christ and none fo what Rhonda has said has anything to do with it. You know, I don't believe the scriptures bear out predestination. I believe that Judas could have chosen not to betray Christ...he chose to do it out of jealousy, contempt, or control...whatever but he chose it.

Falla39 · #4 04-01-2009, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhoni

Good morning everyone! As many of you know I have been studying the life of Christ and the gospels. Something that has stuck out in my Pentecostal feminist mind: When reading the 14th chapter of St. Mark, I find that directly following the anointing of Christ by the woman with the alabaster box - Judas went out and conspired with the chief priests to betray Jesus.

This happened after the discussion about the woman who would waste such precious perfumed ointment on Jesus when the discussion was why the money was not instead used for distribution to the poor. Jesus reply was that the poor are always there and going to be there and you can give to them any time you want...but this woman was sensitive to what was happening and anointed Jesus out of worship knowing His time among them was limited.

I have some thoughts on why Judas did what he did...but I am interested in knowing if anyone else has thought about this?

In His Grip,
Rhoni

This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein. John 12:6 KJV

Hugs,

Falla39

Rhoni · #5 04-01-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Falla39

This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein. John 12:6 KJV

Hugs,

Falla39

Good morning Sis! So, I hear you say the only motivation for Judas betrayal was about money? I think there is more to it than that.

Love ya, Rhoni

TJJJ · #6 04-01-2009, 08:44 AM

Why do I get the feeling that this is going to be a "Women are more spiritual than men" thread?

Falla39 · #7 04-01-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhoni

Good morning Sis! So, I hear you say the only motivation for Judas betrayal was about money? I think there is more to it than that.

Love ya, Rhoni

This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein. John 12:6 KJV

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 1 Tim. 6:10 KJV

Hugs,

Falla39

MomOfADramaQn · #8 04-01-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TJJJ

Why do I get the feeling that this is going to be a "Women are more spiritual than men" thread?

I won't be because we don't need a long thread to KNOW that - just j/k but you walked right into that one

Rhoni · #9 04-01-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TJJJ

Why do I get the feeling that this is going to be a "Women are more spiritual than men" thread?

No, that isn't what it is about. I was directing it more to jealousy that the disciples didn't think of worshipping Christ in this way, the same way they didn't think to wash his feet at the last supper. It is more about condemning those who do worship and are anointed as justification for their lack of doing it, or thinking to do it.

Don't make this about Rhoni hates men...that is just a detracter for the real issues on this forum.
Blessings, Rhoni

Rhoni · #10 04-01-2009, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Falla39

This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein. John 12:6 KJV

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 1 Tim. 6:10 KJV

Hugs,

Falla39

So, his lack of control over the money purse which is about loving money more than the master. Yes, I can go along with that one. The base nature of sinful man is about control, self-serving, and loving the creature more than the creator.