One God Revelation Question

[the raven]

1 Timothy 3:16...states that the angels saw God

John 4:24....lets us know that God is a Spirit


Is it possible that the first time the angels ever "looked upon God" was also through the face of Jesus Christ thus the revelation of the Mighty God in Christ was both directed to heaven and humanity?

[mizpeh]

Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God.

[the raven]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God.

That is understood...I would hope.

I just wonder how the angels must have felt to behold the ONE whom they had heard and served...

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by the raven

That is understood...I would hope.

I just wonder how the angels must have felt to behold the ONE whom they had heard and served...

It put a face on a voice and power!!! It's like talking over the internet to folks I can't see and then finally meeting them in person only much much much more incredible since we are talking about God!!!

[the raven]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

It put a face on a voice and power!!! It's like talking over the internet to folks I can't see and then finally meeting them in person only much much much more incredible since we are talking about God!!!

ONe day freind..we will have the same revelation! What a day that will be!

[Michael The Disciple]

Friends the first thing the Angels ever saw WAS the image of the invisible God.

They have always seen him. They are his Sons.

6: Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Job 1:6

2 Kings 18:18-22

18: Again he said, Therefore hear the word of the LORD; I saw the LORD sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left.
19: And the LORD said, Who shall entice Ahab king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one spake saying after this manner, and another saying after that manner.
20: Then there came out a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will entice him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith?
21: And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the LORD said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even so.
22: Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.

They knew him as the LORD OF HOSTS.

2: The LORD hath also a controversy with Judah, and will punish Jacob according to his ways; according to his doings will he recompense him.
3: He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power with God:
4: Yea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication unto him: he found him in Bethel, and there he spake with us;
5: Even the LORD God of hosts; the LORD is his memorial.

[the raven]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Friends the first thing the Angels ever saw WAS the image of the invisible God.

They have always seen him. They are his Sons.

6: Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Job 1:6

2 Kings 18:18-22

18: Again he said, Therefore hear the word of the LORD; I saw the LORD sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and on his left.
19: And the LORD said, Who shall entice Ahab king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one spake saying after this manner, and another saying after that manner.
20: Then there came out a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will entice him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith?
21: And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the LORD said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even so.
22: Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.

They knew him as the LORD OF HOSTS.

2: The LORD hath also a controversy with Judah, and will punish Jacob according to his ways; according to his doings will he recompense him.
3: He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power with God:
4: Yea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication unto him: he found him in Bethel, and there he spake with us;
5: Even the LORD God of hosts; the LORD is his memorial.

Manifestations yes! However the only absolute image or revelation of what the Spirt looks like and is can only be defined in the person of Jesus Christ who is the express (singular/unique) image of his person (Hebrews 1:3)

[Sam]

Originally Posted by the raven

Manifestations yes! However the only absolute image or revelation of what the Spirt looks like and is can only be defined in the person of Jesus Christ who is the express (singular/unique) image of his person (Hebrews 1:3)

If God is, always has been and always will be, only an invisible Spirit Who fills all space and time how could anyone or anything ever see Him?

Yet, we read of these and others who have seen Him
--Abram saw Him ref Genesis 12:1-7 and Acts 7:2-4
--Jacob saw Him and years later wrestled with Him (Ref Gen. 28:10-15; 32:24-30; 35:9-15; 48:15-16; Hosea 12:3-5
--In Exodus 3:2-6 Moses saw Him
--In Exodus 24:9-11, Moses and others saw Him
--In Joshua 5:13-15 Joshua saw Him as the Captain of the Lord's Hosts/Armies
--In Judges 13:3-22d the parents of Samson saw Him as "a man of God," "the Angel/Messenger of YHWH," Elohim (God), and YHWH (the Lord)
--Isaiah saw Him ref Isaiah 6:1-5

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by the raven

Manifestations yes! However the only absolute image or revelation of what the Spirt looks like and is can only be defined in the person of Jesus Christ who is the express (singular/unique) image of his person (Hebrews 1:3)

Jesus himself is a manifestation of God remember? God was manifest in the flesh? 1 Tim. 3:16

Before he came to this world inhabited by men he always had a visible presence.

9: In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. Isaiah 63:9

Do you think when Angels first appeared in Heaven there was no one there for them to worship?

Yeshua said this:

10: Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. Matt. 18:10

The scriptures are consistent that God has always had an image of himself.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Sam

If God is, always has been and always will be, only an invisible Spirit Who fills all space and time how could anyone or anything ever see Him?

Yet, we read of these and others who have seen Him
--Abram saw Him ref Genesis 12:1-7 and Acts 7:2-4
--Jacob saw Him and years later wrestled with Him (Ref Gen. 28:10-15; 32:24-30; 35:9-15; 48:15-16; Hosea 12:3-5
--In Exodus 3:2-6 Moses saw Him
--In Exodus 24:9-11, Moses and others saw Him
--In Joshua 5:13-15 Joshua saw Him as the Captain of the Lord's Hosts/Armies
--In Judges 13:3-22d the parents of Samson saw Him as "a man of God," "the Angel/Messenger of YHWH," Elohim (God), and YHWH (the Lord)
--Isaiah saw Him ref Isaiah 6:1-5

I found this interesting writing on Amazon.com

In this century Oneness believers are divided basically into two groups. The first, whose views are expounded by John Paterson, believe that Jesus Christ is the preexistent personal WORD of God and they hold to the doctrine of the dual Natures of Christ. On page 47 of his book Paterson says, "...Jesus of Nazareth, Who was perfect man in one nature, was, at the same time, perfect God in another!" The preexistence of the person of Jesus Christ is explained as "...the WORD...the invisible God embodied in visible form...nothing less than the Eternal God Himself...". (page 9) Paterson continues on page 47, "...before the creation spoken of in Genesis 1:1, God, the Eternal and invisible Spirit, chose to make know His Eternal power and invisible Godhead by centering all authority and Lordship in a visible form", and indicates something "akin" to an incarnation..." This "visible form" is referred to as the "Angel of the Lord." This group of Oneness believers has been accused of teaching Arianism, to which Paterson replies, "The finite mind cannot comprehend, let alone explain, "how" God became man--but this does not deter...students from believing that which Scripture teaches...neither does this acknowledgment of the created nature of the Babe of Bethlehem detract in any way from His essential Godhead. However, when we acknowledge a parallel situation in respect to the PREEXISTENT Christ, we are accused of teaching Arianism, THIS IS NOT SO! Arianism denies that Christ is, or ever was, God in any real or supreme sense..." (page49). In regard to the Holy Spirit, this group of Oneness believers maintains that the Holy Spirit is the Father Himself, and not a distinct "person" from that of the Father or the Son.

This accurately describes what I feel is true Oneness doctrine in a nutshell form.