Hey guys! I'm new here, but I have been lurking for quite some time. I come from a UPCI background, and I believe a lot of what they teach, but I tend to question everything.
We all know how the UPCI interprets that the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is Jesus, so that's why we baptize in the name of Jesus.
So essentially, when you say the name of the Father, Son.... You are actually meaning Jesus. So my question is, when people get baptized in that way, aren't they still being baptized in the name of Jesus?
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Hey guys! I'm new here, but I have been lurking for quite some time. I come from a UPCI background, and I believe a lot of what they teach, but I tend to question everything.
We all know how the UPCI interprets that the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is Jesus, so that's why we baptize in the name of Jesus.
So essentially, when you say the name of the Father, Son.... You are actually meaning Jesus. So my question is, when people get baptized in that way, aren't they still being baptized in the name of Jesus?
Excellent question!
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Hey guys! I'm new here, but I have been lurking for quite some time. I come from a UPCI background, and I believe a lot of what they teach, but I tend to question everything.
We all know how the UPCI interprets that the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is Jesus, so that's why we baptize in the name of Jesus.
So essentially, when you say the name of the Father, Son.... You are actually meaning Jesus. So my question is, when people get baptized in that way, aren't they still being baptized in the name of Jesus?
If your asking.. is being baptised in the titles the same as being baptised in the Name.. then the answer in no.
The Name is Jesus.. his titles are many. Repentance coupled with water baptism in Jesus name is the only way the blood cleanses us from sin and redeems are fallen nature.
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If your asking.. is being baptised in the titles the same as being baptised in the Name.. then the answer in no.
The Name is Jesus.. his titles are many. Repentance coupled with water baptism in Jesus name is the only way the blood cleanses us from sin and redeems are fallen nature.
Hold your hat here, TR, it doesn't happen often, but I agree with you on this one!
Business cannot be transacted using titles, there must a legal name on the contract to transact any business.
If I write a check, I can't sign it "Father, Son, Husband", even though I AM all of those things.
I have to sign it with my given name to make it authentic.
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Hold your hat here, TR, it doesn't happen often, but I agree with you on this one!
Business cannot be transacted using titles, there must a legal name on the contract to transact any business.
If I write a check, I can't sign it "Father, Son, Husband", even though I AM all of those things.
I have to sign it with my given name to make it authentic.
Signing a check that way is very different from speaking the titles over a baptism. There's no way of knowing who signed the check, since there are billions of men that those "titles" could apply to. But in the latter case, there is no doubt Who is meant (unless you argue that there was doubt who Jesus meant when He gave that command!). Observers would know, the baptizee would know, and God would know.
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Signing a check that way is very different from speaking the titles over a baptism. There's no way of knowing who signed the check, since there are billions of men that those "titles" could apply to. But in the latter case, there is no doubt Who is meant (unless you argue that there was doubt who Jesus meant when He gave that command!). Observers would know, the baptizee would know, and God would know.
Sorry Timmy, my mind is made up on this one. If you're going to get baptized, why wouldn't you want to have the NAME of Jesus Christ invoked?
I understand your argument here, but this one is pretty straightforward to me.
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Signing a check that way is very different from speaking the titles over a baptism. There's no way of knowing who signed the check, since there are billions of men that those "titles" could apply to. But in the latter case, there is no doubt Who is meant (unless you argue that there was doubt who Jesus meant when He gave that command!). Observers would know, the baptizee would know, and God would know.
I disagree with you.
The Bible says that what we do in word or deed do all in the name of Jesus. So if we are to use His name in everything we do then when we baptize just using a few of His titles is not enough.
Jesus is the name. I can agree that He is the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost but that is not all that he is. And in it all His name is JESUS so why fight against it?
Sorry Timmy, my mind is made up on this one. If you're going to get baptized, why wouldn't you want to have the NAME of Jesus Christ invoked?
I understand your argument here, but this one is pretty straightforward to me.
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I disagree with you.
The Bible says that what we do in word or deed do all in the name of Jesus. So if we are to use His name in everything we do then when we baptize just using a few of His titles is not enough.
Jesus is the name. I can agree that He is the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost but that is not all that he is. And in it all His name is JESUS so why fight against it?
Not arguing against using the name Jesus. Just trying to be logical.
So, do you actually think that God, if He hears the words spoken "in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost", will disregard that baptism? He won't write the person's name in the Book of Life, so to speak?
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The Bible says that what we do in word or deed do all in the name of Jesus. So if we are to use His name in everything we do then when we baptize just using a few of His titles is not enough.
Jesus is the name. I can agree that He is the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost but that is not all that he is. And in it all His name is JESUS so why fight against it?
BTW, which part or parts of my post do you disagree with? Would God actually not know who is meant, if the titles are used? Would anyone not know?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
In "ye olden days" -not 60 years ago, but many hundreds, if a representative of the king came to a village and shouted out a proclamation in "the name of the king!", everyone knew who it was and it carried the same weight as if the king himself said it.
Now I was baptized in Jesus name and would tell others to do likewise, but I also do believe baptism in the titles (only) is not an automatic hell sentence.
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