You CANNOT preach about SIN and NOT mention Grace

[Carpenter]

I am so frustrated, we heard/watched the sermon on DVD last evening in church and the lesson from the pastor was on sin. Great, fine, I agree with most of it until he got to the point of talking about the power over sin through the empowerment of the spirit.

After all Paul did NOT say, "That which I would not, that I do..."

I was frustrated because the implication was that we have some meta-physical "power" to resist sin.

We have power over sin ONLY ONLY ONLY through the Grace of God. It is the Grace of God that empowers us and makes sin less significant than it otherwise would be. It is through Grace and Grace only that we are able to please Almighty God.

Grace was not mentioned not even one single time... Rather the message was that we can bulldog our way through resisting sin. Baloney.

...and some can sit there and tell me the Apostolic church has an appropriate understanding of the Grace of God, when in reality they are terrified that if they mention it we WILL continue in sin that grace may abound and God forbid!

I can and am now willing to admit that I indeed AM the most greasy Gracer of them all!

[KWSS1976]

Carpenter I agree with ya but get ready to get blasted. Cause you start talking grace in here and you are going to get plenty of responces but I totally agree with you.

[LUKE2447]

I agree it is through the Graceful act of the Spirit we are able to overcome sin! He give us power to overcome with our proper response to him! It is by Grace through faith(proper response).

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I am so frustrated, we heard/watched the sermon on DVD last evening in church and the lesson from the pastor was on sin. Great, fine, I agree with most of it until he got to the point of talking about the power over sin through the empowerment of the spirit.

After all Paul did NOT say, "That which I would not, that I do..."

I was frustrated because the implication was that we have some meta-physical "power" to resist sin.

We have power over sin ONLY ONLY ONLY through the Grace of God. It is the Grace of God that empowers us and makes sin less significant than it otherwise would be. It is through Grace and Grace only that we are able to please Almighty God.

Grace was not mentioned not even one single time... Rather the message was that we can bulldog our way through resisting sin. Baloney.

...and some can sit there and tell me the Apostolic church has an appropriate understanding of the Grace of God, when in reality they are terrified that if they mention it we WILL continue in sin that grace may abound and God forbid!

I can and am now willing to admit that I indeed AM the most greasy Gracer of them all!

Carp, that is simply because "works=salvation" is alive and all too well!

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

I agree it is through the Graceful act of the Spirit we are able to overcome sin! He give us power to overcome with our proper response to him! It is by Grace through faith(proper response).

...yes, but by grace indeed. I have come to realize that (should I now say traditional in light of the other thread ) Apostolic leadership is terrified of Grace because it is like putting a loaded gun in the hand of those who have been taught that their holiness is somehow related to their appearance and ability to perform in the culture.

[rgcraig]

Don't you mean "SHOULD NOT"?

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Carp, that is simply because "works=salvation" is alive and all too well!

The word that thrust into my mind when I read this...well it was a song actually, from the Fiddler on the Roof..

Traditiouuuuuun!!!! Tradition!

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

The word that thrust into my mind when I read this...well it was a song actually, from the Fiddler on the Roof..

Traditiouuuuuun!!!! Tradition!

BAM!!!!

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

...yes, but by grace indeed. I have come to realize that (should I now say traditional in light of the other thread ) Apostolic leadership is terrified of Grace because it is like putting a loaded gun in the hand of those who have been taught that their holiness is somehow related to their appearance and ability to perform in the culture.

Holiness is the consummation of who you are before God in response to his Word revealed unto you! It involves everything! Inward to outward!

[Digging4Truth]

This thread reminds me of a sermon I heard years ago that Anthony Mangum preached...

He said that the old timers could preach you into hell to the point that you felt the fire and smelled the smoke..

But the difference between then and now is that back then when they did preach it as hard as they did... they did it with tears in their eyes.

That... my friend... is ALL the difference.