Poll: How many agree with this view of Salvation?

Pastor Keith · #1 10-08-2008, 01:18 PM

I am not sure I qualify as a former 3 stepper or even now a 1 stepper.

I believe faith that saves us, but that faith has various applications. In this age the application of faith is repentance, baptism and receiving the Holy Spirit as being the normative experience of a faith filled believer.

But what I can't find or see in scripture is a all or nothing approach.

I will not condemn a person who upon a sincere faith expression in Jesus being the answer to their sin problem.

Whom God justifies I will not declare them to be lost or not right with God.

But the believer who refuses to obey revelation and knowledge at that point refuses to be a believer.

All4one · #2 10-08-2008, 01:33 PM

I think your right - A person starts walking with God upon first acknowlegment of faith and continues growing in Christ as they follow His leading for the rest of their life. A flower bud is still a flower - just not in full bloom yet. (is that a good analogy?)

mizpeh · #3 10-08-2008, 01:41 PM

You're explanation reminds me of Acts 19.

Were the disciples that Paul met at Ephesus saved up until the point in which Paul led them to further "light"...explanation of the gospel of Jesus Christ? And does their example apply to those who now believe in Jesus but haven't heard that there be any Holy Ghost?

Pastor Keith · #4 10-08-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

You're explanation reminds me of Acts 19.

Were the disciples that Paul met at Ephesus saved up until the point in which Paul led them to further "light"...explanation of the gospel of Jesus Christ? And does their example apply to those who now believe in Jesus but haven't heard that there be any Holy Ghost?

OP's have always been revivalistic which means that we hold the notion, "I want to share what happened to me", and that God has more for every sincere believer.

So to answer that I want share what things I have seen and heard.

mizpeh · #5 10-08-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by keith4him

OP's have always been revivalistic which means that we hold the notion, "I want to share what happened to me", and that God has more for every sincere believer.

So to answer that I want share what things I have seen and heard.

Nice dodge, are you a politician?

Steve Epley · #6 10-08-2008, 03:06 PM

Everyone from Pentecost until now that has not obeyed Acts 2:38 is lost.

ChTatum · #7 10-08-2008, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Everyone from Pentecost until now that has not obeyed Acts 2:38 is lost.

If they have obeyed and have facial hair are they saved?

How about females? If they have obeyed and wear pants are they saved?

All4one · #8 10-08-2008, 04:33 PM

If females wear pants and have facial hair are they saved?

Steve Epley · #9 10-08-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ChTatum

If they have obeyed and have facial hair are they saved?

How about females? If they have obeyed and wear pants are they saved?

ONLY Acts 2:38 puts one INTO the church NO ONE who has not obeyed from the heart Acts 2:38 is NOT a member of the Lord's church. Yes someone can disobey the Word of God and lose their salvation. ANYONE who has NOT obeyed Acts 2:38 has NO salvation to lose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OneAccord · #10 10-08-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by keith4him

I am not sure I qualify as a former 3 stepper or even now a 1 stepper.

I believe faith that saves us, but that faith has various applications. In this age the application of faith is repentance, baptism and receiving the Holy Spirit as being the normative experience of a faith filled believer.

But what I can't find or see in scripture is a all or nothing approach.

I will not condemn a person who upon a sincere faith expression in Jesus being the answer to their sin problem.

Whom God justifies I will not declare them to be lost or not right with God.

But the believer who refuses to obey revelation and knowledge at that point refuses to be a believer.

I agree. When I think of this, I think of Peters vision of unclean beast. He was told to "slay and eat" but he refused to eat the unclean. He was told to refrain from calling what God has cleansed unclean. We say a person is unsaved, even after they have repented, because they haven't fulfilled Acts 2:38. In affect, we are saying they are still unclean because the Blood of Christ hasn't washed away their sin.

The question being tossed around here is this: When does the Blood wash away our sins? At repentance? At baptism? At the reception of the Holy Ghost? Until THAT issue is resolved, the One Step/ Three Step divide will never be resolved... we are arguing that, while ignoring the real issue. When does Jesus wash away our sins?

The issue is settled for me. His Blood was shed when He died on Calvary. His Blood washed away my sin when I died. He was buried as a testament that He was, in fact, dead. I was buried in water baptism in Jesus Name as a testament that I have been "crucified with Christ". He was raised on the 3rd day, so that I could be raised up in newness of life through and by the Holy Ghost.