Adam & Eve Coequal In Authority Before Fall ?

[1Corinth2v4]

(sigh)


Well, here's my first deleted post within an "unnamed forum." The following quote is a message I received from their admin:

Hi,
Your discussion with regard to Adam and Eve has the potential to lead to negative conversion thus it was removed. Thanks for limiting discussions that have practical application to our current dispensation

So.........I guess I'll post it here!



We read within the New Testament that man is the head of women (1Corinth 11:3), basically women are under subjection to men.

But the question lies, were Adam and Eve coequal in authority before the fall of man?


Notice:

Genesis 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.



Also,


Genesis 2:20
And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.



Help Meet: Azar (aw-zar')
A primitive root; to surround, i.e. Protect or aid -- help, succour


There is no subjection between two creatures working in unison to complete a task (help meet).


So........


A portion of women's/Eve's curse was "thy husband shall rule over thee." My belief is Adam and Eve were coequal in authority before the fall of man.

If you disagree, and if subjection between a man and women was established prior to the fall of Adam/Eve, why did God announce subjection over Eve (women) as a curse for being disobedient?

[Rhoni]

They are still co-equal. The only change is in roles as punishment for the sins committed.

The form of 'submission' you are referring to is not biblical. God made the man responsible for the sins of himself and his wife. When Adam tried to blame Eve for his sin...God punished him by making him responsible for both.

Just like Adam tried to blame Eve for his transgression against God...men today still do the same thing. God didn't let Adam get away with it then...he don't let him get away with it now.

They are absolutely not co-equal..... I have rule over my children and they are not equal with me,, they are children.. they have been placed under my subjection

I love how we say man and woman are equal when GOD HIMSELF calls her the WEAKER VESSELL.. if we are equal then we are equal in all.......its a travesty to the plan of God to make equal what God has made unequal

I work for a company.. there is a man in that company who is NOT MY EQUAL>> WHY? He has the power over me... he has the power and the authority to make my life peaceful or make it a living hell... I am NOT equal to him. Imagine that.... I am an UNDERLING to this man.. WHY? GOD TOLD ME "slaves obey your masters"

I ask you did Paul consider the slave (employee) equal to his master (employer)

A man is not equal to Christ.. why? Because the head of every man is Christ....

Question.. is the foot equal to the head? Of course not, without the head the entire body cannot function.. without the foot the body can still function,, are they both important? Absolutely....... Do they compliment one another? Absolutely but the foot will never be equal to the head....

When you have a HEAD such as man has a HEAD,, which is CHRIST.. he is not now nor will he ever be EQUAL to CHRIST...... the same applies with man and woman.. she has a HEAD... how can she ever be equal to her head?

That would be like saying children are EQUAL with their parents..... how can they be when the parents are the HEAD of the children?

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

They are absolutely not co-equal..... I have rule over my children and they are not equal with me,, they are children.. they have been placed under my subjection

I love how we say man and woman are equal when GOD HIMSELF calls her the WEAKER VESSELL.. if we are equal then we are equal in all.......its a travesty to the plan of God to make equal what God has made unequal

I work for a company.. there is a man in that company who is NOT MY EQUAL>> WHY? He has the power over me... he has the power and the authority to make my life peaceful or make it a living hell... I am NOT equal to him. Imagine that.... I am an UNDERLING to this man.. WHY? GOD TOLD ME "slaves obey your masters"

I ask you did Paul consider the slave (employee) equal to his master (employer)

A man is not equal to Christ.. why? Because the head of every man is Christ....

Question.. is the foot equal to the head? Of course not, without the head the entire body cannot function.. without the foot the body can still function,, are they both important? Absolutely....... Do they compliment one another? Absolutely but the foot will never be equal to the head....

When you have a HEAD such as man has a HEAD,, which is CHRIST.. he is not now nor will he ever be EQUAL to CHRIST...... the same applies with man and woman.. she has a HEAD... how can she ever be equal to her head?

That would be like saying children are EQUAL with their parents..... how can they be when the parents are the HEAD of the children?

Not talking about children...talking about man and wife.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Darcie]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

They are absolutely not co-equal..... I have rule over my children and they are not equal with me,, they are children.. they have been placed under my subjection

I love how we say man and woman are equal when GOD HIMSELF calls her the WEAKER VESSELL.. if we are equal then we are equal in all.......its a travesty to the plan of God to make equal what God has made unequal

I work for a company.. there is a man in that company who is NOT MY EQUAL>> WHY? He has the power over me... he has the power and the authority to make my life peaceful or make it a living hell... I am NOT equal to him. Imagine that.... I am an UNDERLING to this man.. WHY? GOD TOLD ME "slaves obey your masters"

I ask you did Paul consider the slave (employee) equal to his master (employer)

A man is not equal to Christ.. why? Because the head of every man is Christ....

Question.. is the foot equal to the head? Of course not, without the head the entire body cannot function.. without the foot the body can still function,, are they both important? Absolutely....... Do they compliment one another? Absolutely but the foot will never be equal to the head....

When you have a HEAD such as man has a HEAD,, which is CHRIST.. he is not now nor will he ever be EQUAL to CHRIST...... the same applies with man and woman.. she has a HEAD... how can she ever be equal to her head?

That would be like saying children are EQUAL with their parents..... how can they be when the parents are the HEAD of the children?

Are you married?

[TRFrance]

"Hi,
Your discussion with regard to Adam and Eve has the potential to lead to negative conversion thus it was removed. Thanks for limiting discussions that have practical application to our current dispensation"

"negative conversion" ?

Some of these forums amaze me.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

"Hi,
Your discussion with regard to Adam and Eve has the potential to lead to negative conversion thus it was removed. Thanks for limiting discussions that have practical application to our current dispensation"

"negative conversion" ?

Some of these forums amaze me.

If you don't want conflict or debate then this would not be a good thread to allow to continue. I can see possible ramifications.

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Not talking about children...talking about man and wife.

Blessings, Rhoni

Were talking about Gods Order... Christ has been placed below God
Man has been placed below Christ
Woman has been placed below man
Children has been placed below woman

and we try to persuade men that all of the above equals = equality

Originally Posted by Darcie

Are you married?

Happily for 15 years....only one time by the way

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Were talking about Gods Order... Christ has been placed below God
Man has been placed below Christ
Woman has been placed below man
Children has been placed below woman

and we try to persuade men that all of the above equals = equality

BELOW? You have no idea what God was talking about...just admit it