"All things are lawful"

LUKE2447 · #1 07-16-2008, 02:47 PM

From a non-OSAS standpoint how does one deal with this verse by Paul.

1Co 6:12 "All things are lawful for me," but not all things are helpful. "All things are lawful for me," but I will not be enslaved by anything.

1Co 10:23 "All things are lawful," but not all things are helpful. "All things are lawful," but not all things build up.

I have my own opinion but would like to seek the knowledge of the people on the board which cover many views.

Thanks!

LUKE2447 · #2 07-17-2008, 07:39 AM

bump

I would really like some input on this set of scriptures.

freeatlast · #3 07-17-2008, 07:52 AM

OP's are to skeered of that verse to comment Luke.

Baron1710 · #4 07-17-2008, 07:58 AM

I just take it at face value.

LUKE2447 · #5 07-17-2008, 08:03 AM

Baron,

Then in your view..(again just asking the normal follow through Q) murder, fornication, homosexuality etc... are lawful but just do not edify or build up?

Baron1710 · #6 07-17-2008, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Baron,

Then in your view..(again just asking the normal follow through Q) murder, fornication, homosexuality etc... are lawful but just do not edify or build up?

Face value to me is, pass the ham sandwich and don't tell me where you got the ham.

The context is eating meat that may have been offered to idols. The passage in chapter 6 though talking about sexual immorality makes reference again to eating.

"Everything is permissible"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"—but not everything is constructive. Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others.
Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, for, "The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it."[c]

If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. But if anyone says to you, "This has been offered in sacrifice," then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake[d]— the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours. For why should my freedom be judged by another's conscience? If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?

31So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God— 33even as I try to please everybody in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.

Cindy · #7 07-17-2008, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Baron,

Then in your view..(again just asking the normal follow through Q) murder, fornication, homosexuality etc... are lawful but just do not edify or build up?

In what world are these things lawful?

LUKE2447 · #8 07-17-2008, 08:56 AM

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In what world are these things lawful?

We are talking about between us and God. Pauls is not dealing with society or government. Government does not decide sin. God does. To say all things are lawful, means one cannot sin from a direct reading. Without law there is no sin. Law gives the ability to judge transgression.
If no law no transgression.

Rico · #9 07-17-2008, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

We are talking about between us and God. Pauls is not dealing with society or government. Government does not decide sin. God does. To say all things are lawful, means one cannot sin from a direct reading. Without law there is no sin. Law gives the ability to judge transgression.
If no law no transgression.

Was it a sin when Cain killed Abel?

LUKE2447 · #10 07-17-2008, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rico

Was it a sin when Cain killed Abel?

Rico I am not arguing what sin is and isn't per the pasage just trying to find out what others think. I believe SIN is still SIN. I don't believe in the "all things are lawful" from a antinomian stand point but those that are consistent in OSAS have to believe that when you get down to it. We don't know all the understanding Adam had at the time and taught to his children. That is speculation. So to say well the Bible to that point does not give a law(which is what I think your point is) doesn't mean there wasn't.. It's speculation. Even is not revealed to them it still was sin. God's law is still law revealed or not but we are only judged by what we know. Without law/knowledge there can be no transgression unto judgement.

Rico this goes back to the previous thread on the law. God's natural laws are eternal they don't change as they are a product of his character. Thus God gave us laws to live by in relationship to the world around us that are a product of his nature. Which shows we relate to God and his divine order and to the people around us and the world itself. There is always law IMO!