In the Oneness ranks how many believe in OSAS

LUKE2447 · #1 07-16-2008, 09:09 AM

I was wondering this from just a statistical point of view.

Also if you do believe in OSAS or Eternal Security though close but not the same do you believe in any law at all? Also are there any orgs in OP that state this as a articles of faith etc...

Thanks!

Michael The Disciple · #2 07-16-2008, 09:33 AM

There is a version of OSAS that promotes very strong holiness. It is born out of the belief that God has chosen a people from the beginning of time to be his. He calls them to himself and then gives them grace to be overcomers.

They overcome and live a holy life unto the end because they ARE his elect and because it is he (God) working in them to will and do his good pleasure. If someone leads a life of consistent sin or if they fall away it is proving they never were saved at all.

So altho most OSAS teaching does encourage sinful living by teaching sin will not be an issue for the Christian on judgment day there is this other option of the doctrine that some believe.

LUKE2447 · #3 07-16-2008, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

There is a version of OSAS that promotes very strong holiness. It is born out of the belief that God has chosen a people from the beginning of time to be his. He calls them to himself and then gives them grace to be overcomers.

They overcome and live a holy life unto the end because they ARE his elect and because it is he (God) working in them to will and do his good pleasure. If someone leads a life of consistent sin or if they fall away it is proving they never were saved at all.

So altho most OSAS teaching does encourage sinful living by teaching sin will not be an issue for the Christian on judgment day there is this other option of the doctrine that some believe.

Michael thanks for your reply. That would be a reference per my first post to a more traditional reformed view of Eternal Security(Perseverance of the saints.) As OSAS is more of what you see now among many like Bob George, Stanley etc...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_security

Jack Shephard · #4 07-16-2008, 09:54 AM

No one I know believes OSAS theology. This is including the ones that us OP's claim are OSAS. Even catholics believe you can lose salvation. Even after confirmations and all they do actually believe you can lose salvation.

As for me I believe in eternal security, but NOT unconditional eternal security. One you become saved by grace you are saved, but you must continue to live acceptable to Christ. This means living a seperate lifestyle not so much in the way you dress, but you must live seperate unto God and away from a sinful life. No one is above judgement! No one is below grace!

Sister Alvear · #5 07-16-2008, 01:07 PM

I don´t know anyone that believes that doctrine so I cannot comment because I really do not understand it.

SDG · #6 07-16-2008, 01:16 PM

Most ,if not all, are Arminian in character. There might be some "rogue" saints out there ... the biggest soteriological divide is when and how we are saved ... some believe at repentance/point of faith ... others after fulfilling three steps in Acts 2:38

#7 07-16-2008, 01:30 PM

I definitly believe in the "Security of the Believer" .. not the Baptist forumla where you can shake the preachers hand... be saved and stay saved no matter what you do

No, I believe if one has TRULY tasted the heavenly gift... had a true and not an emotional born again experience... THE OLD MAN IS DEAD..... and that man has passed from DEATH UNTO LIFE...... he is a new creature and THAT CREATURE is eternally saved... and SEALED until the day of redemption not until that man falls in the flesh

Now, the old argument "So, you believe people can go out and do whatever they want and be saved" is not a valid question.;.. because I believe that if one is TRULY saved it will show in their desire towards holiness and their utter disdain for this world will show in their lives.. thus proving they have been born again and you will never see this type of person trying to get as close to the world as possible..... if someone comes to the altar and goes back into sin,.,. they NEVER GOT ANYTHING... their fruits prove it

You don't have to tell an Apple Tree to produce apples... it happens naturally without effort.... you don't have to tell a truly saved person to live sanctified... it's just natural for that NEW MAN.;... anything contrary to that PROVES he was never BORN AGAIN because had he been born again.. .the NATURAL FRUIT of that experience is HOLINESS

Remember brethren... Holiness is not the ROOT of our Salvation... Holiness is the FRUIT of our Salvation.....

LUKE2447 · #8 07-16-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

I definitly believe in the "Security of the Believer" .. not the Baptist forumla where you can shake the preachers hand... be saved and stay saved no matter what you do

No, I believe if one has TRULY tasted the heavenly gift... had a true and not an emotional born again experience... THE OLD MAN IS DEAD..... and that man has passed from DEATH UNTO LIFE...... he is a new creature and THAT CREATURE is eternally saved... and SEALED until the day of redemption not until that man falls in the flesh

Now, the old argument "So, you believe people can go out and do whatever they want and be saved" is not a valid question.;.. because I believe that if one is TRULY saved it will show in their desire towards holiness and their utter disdain for this world will show in their lives.. thus proving they have been born again and you will never see this type of person trying to get as close to the world as possible..... if someone comes to the altar and goes back into sin,.,. they NEVER GOT ANYTHING... their fruits prove it

You don't have to tell an Apple Tree to produce apples... it happens naturally without effort.... you don't have to tell a truly saved person to live sanctified... it's just natural for that NEW MAN.;... anything contrary to that PROVES he was never BORN AGAIN because had he been born again.. .the NATURAL FRUIT of that experience is HOLINESS

Remember brethren... Holiness is not the ROOT of our Salvation... Holiness is the FRUIT of our Salvation.....

Thanks for your reply. Though I don't believe in OSAS, I would not complain if you are right! LOL!

LUKE2447 · #9 07-16-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Most ,if not all, are Arminian in character. There might be some "rogue" saints out there ... the biggest soteriological divide is when and how we are saved ... some believe at repentance/point of faith ... others after fulfilling three steps in Acts 2:38

yeah, that is the way it seems from my own personal circles and meeting many. It seems Arminianism is definitly more the norm than about any other doctrine than maybe Acts 2:38. It might be even higher than that after reading about how many 1-steppers are Oneness.

Bro-Larry · #10 07-16-2008, 08:49 PM

Heb 10:10-18

vvs.10: "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

vvs 12: "but this man after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever."

vvs 14: "for by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."

How much more secure can anyone be? Yes, I believe in Eternal Security.