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07-13-2008, 02:28 PM
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The Man Is the Priest of the Home?
I'm curious about this...my [relative] relayed to me that he feels a man is the priest of the home, to the point of standing between a woman and her relationship with God. (As a mediator? Or just in the "line" of authority? I'm not sure which way he meant it)
My question is: I've heard this before, but is there a particular scripture that supports this line of thought in any way, even out of context? I certainly couldn't find any exact quotes.
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07-13-2008, 02:45 PM
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Re: The Man Is the Priest of the Home?
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I'm curious about this...my [relative] relayed to me that he feels a man is the priest of the home, to the point of standing between a woman and her relationship with God. (As a mediator? Or just in the "line" of authority? I'm not sure which way he meant it)
My question is: I've heard this before, but is there a particular scripture that supports this line of thought in any way, even out of context? I certainly couldn't find any exact quotes.
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Does that mean that a single woman is without a priest and therefore what? I can't find it in the bible either sis
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-13-2008, 02:47 PM
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Re: The Man Is the Priest of the Home?
The head of Christ is God, the head of man is Christ, the head of woman is man.... therefore Man is the Head or Priest of his home....
If you will look throughout scripture you will find that a woman could not come into Covenant with God without either coming through her Father or her husbands authority.... the Covenant could only be entered into by Circumcision and women of course could not and did not experience circumcision of the flesh..... to be in that Covenant they must come under the authority or covering of either her Father or her Husband....
So much to the point that if she made a Vow to God.. her husband or her Father has the authority to anull or relieve her from that vow...
This is how much God considered the Husband Priest of his home, in the following verses!
Num 30:3 - And if she had at all an husband, when she vowed, or uttered ought out of her lips, wherewith she bound her soul
Num 30:7 - And her husband heard [it,] and held his peace at her in the day that he heard [it]: then her vows shall stand, and her bonds wherewith she bound her soul shall stand.
Num 30:8 - But if her husband disallowed her on the day that he heard [it]; then he shall make her vow which she vowed, and that which she uttered with her lips, wherewith she bound her soul, of none effect: and the LORD shall forgive her.
HERE IS WHAT GOD SAYS ABOUT THE UNMARRIED WOMAN!
Num 30:9 - But every vow of a widow, and of her that is divorced, wherewith they have bound their souls, shall stand against her
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07-13-2008, 02:49 PM
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Re: The Man Is the Priest of the Home?
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Does that mean that a single woman is without a priest and therefore what? I can't find it in the bible either sis
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Well, there is the verse that says a single woman will pay attention to God, but the married woman must pay attention to her husband. (Obviously my paraphrase) But I feel this is just a practical statement, not a statement of necessity, but descriptive of what happens, that the priorities shift, and while a single person may be able to focus more on ministry, obviously a married woman must focus on her relationship with her husband moreso than ministry.
I wouldn't think that the marital relationship would take priority over a personal relationship with God.
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"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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07-13-2008, 02:53 PM
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Re: The Man Is the Priest of the Home?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
The head of Christ is God, the head of man is Christ, the head of woman is man.... therefore Man is the Head or Priest of his home....
If you will look throughout scripture you will find that a woman could not come into Covenant with God without either coming through her Father or her husbands authority.... the Covenant could only be entered into by Circumcision and women of course could not and did not experience circumcision of the flesh..... to be in that Covenant they must come under the authority or covering of either her Father or her Husband....
So much to the point that if she made a Vow to God.. her husband or her Father has the authority to anull or relieve her from that vow...
This is how much God considered the Husband Priest of his home, in the following verses!
Num 30:3 - And if she had at all an husband, when she vowed, or uttered ought out of her lips, wherewith she bound her soul
Num 30:7 - And her husband heard [it,] and held his peace at her in the day that he heard [it]: then her vows shall stand, and her bonds wherewith she bound her soul shall stand.
Num 30:8 - But if her husband disallowed her on the day that he heard [it]; then he shall make her vow which she vowed, and that which she uttered with her lips, wherewith she bound her soul, of none effect: and the LORD shall forgive her.
HERE IS WHAT GOD SAYS ABOUT THE UNMARRIED WOMAN!
Num 30:9 - But every vow of a widow, and of her that is divorced, wherewith they have bound their souls, shall stand against her
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It does not say Priest. Being head does not equate "head priest" as though she needs one to be saved like a Roman Catholic. We are all priests unto God.
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-13-2008, 02:55 PM
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Re: The Man Is the Priest of the Home?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
The head of Christ is God, the head of man is Christ, the head of woman is man.... therefore Man is the Head or Priest of his home....
If you will look throughout scripture you will find that a woman could not come into Covenant with God without either coming through her Father or her husbands authority.... the Covenant could only be entered into by Circumcision and women of course could not and did not experience circumcision of the flesh..... to be in that Covenant they must come under the authority or covering of either her Father or her Husband....
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But is this true in the New Testament church? Must I go through my husband to get to God? Or my father? What if my husband or my father is an unbeliever?
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So much to the point that if she made a Vow to God.. her husband or her Father has the authority to anull or relieve her from that vow...
This is how much God considered the Husband Priest of his home, in the following verses!
Num 30:3 - And if she had at all an husband, when she vowed, or uttered ought out of her lips, wherewith she bound her soul
Num 30:7 - And her husband heard [it,] and held his peace at her in the day that he heard [it]: then her vows shall stand, and her bonds wherewith she bound her soul shall stand.
Num 30:8 - But if her husband disallowed her on the day that he heard [it]; then he shall make her vow which she vowed, and that which she uttered with her lips, wherewith she bound her soul, of none effect: and the LORD shall forgive her.
HERE IS WHAT GOD SAYS ABOUT THE UNMARRIED WOMAN!
Num 30:9 - But every vow of a widow, and of her that is divorced, wherewith they have bound their souls, shall stand against her
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I understand the scriptures about vows. Someday I may use that--LOL--maybe my husband can get me out of a few promises. (jk!)
But what does this have to do with being a "priest." I guess I"m not getting the concept at all. In our home, my husband and I both live for God, we both pray, we both study, and we're both faithful to church. We hold one another accountable to some extent...but it's more of a two-way street.
Okay, so tell me this: Apply the idea of "priest of the home" to a marriage today, in the New Testament church age, and offer scriptures that will help explain it.
I am not being argumentative, and I do believe in a man having authority over the home, but I really am not wrapping my head around this concept.
It seemed like my [relative] was saying that if a man was displeased with his wife, he could stand between her and God, or that she had to answer to him, and he would answer to God for her--or SOMEthing like that!
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--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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07-13-2008, 02:56 PM
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Re: The Man Is the Priest of the Home?
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Well, there is the verse that says a single woman will pay attention to God, but the married woman must pay attention to her husband. (Obviously my paraphrase) But I feel this is just a practical statement, not a statement of necessity, but descriptive of what happens, that the priorities shift, and while a single person may be able to focus more on ministry, obviously a married woman must focus on her relationship with her husband moreso than ministry.
I wouldn't think that marital relationship would take priority over a personal relationship with God.
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A womans relationship with her husband is indicative of her relationship with God and her relationship with God is fulfilled in her submission to her husband. In our congregation where I have Pastored it is well known that I do not serve as Pastor to our married women... I serve as their Husbands pastor and their Husbands control their homes.... not the Pastor...... I would never counsel a married woman without the presence of her husband and without her realizing that my authority is less than his in her life and that my words should never supersede her own husbands words.......
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07-13-2008, 02:58 PM
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Re: The Man Is the Priest of the Home?
Still no verses showing the man is the womans priest...nor an explanation of those single women and what they are to do
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-13-2008, 02:58 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: The Man Is the Priest of the Home?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn
A womans relationship with her husband is indicative of her relationship with God and her relationship with God is fulfilled in her submission to her husband. In our congregation where I have Pastored it is well known that I do not serve as Pastor to our married women... I serve as their Husbands pastor and their Husbands control their homes.... not the Pastor...... I would never counsel a married woman without the presence of her husband and without her realizing that my authority is less than his in her life and that my words should never supersede her own husbands words.......
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What about single women?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-13-2008, 03:00 PM
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Re: The Man Is the Priest of the Home?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
What about single women?
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I think he implied that the single woman would have to answer to her father.
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