How many churches are willing to "pay out" for their help?
This thread springs from one of Rhoni's posts.
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Originally Posted by Rhoni
If the church can't adequately pay a person for their services they are not large enough yet for that particular ministry.
I remember the first church my ex and I assisted in out of Bible College. We worked 24/7 both of us for $100.00 per week while his parents paid our car payment and insurance. When we resigned after a year of hard labor they offered us triple the salary... Too late.
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Originally Posted by Rhoni
I will have to add...that since the tithes are set up to pay the ministry why it is that training ministry workers are expected to work free? Just curious as to what folks think about this?
Why pay the Bible College all that money for training to be asked to work in a church for free?
Just don't get it.
Do most churches "pay out" reasonably for their staff help?
Or do most do the "here's a small token of our appreciation" poverty pay?
Are there pastors out there that soak up most, if not all, available wages-salaries, then are reluctant to pay out for other "needed" ministry help in their church?
Pastors, what are your usual guidelines in these types of situations?
How do you determine how many volunteer positions to paid positions?
How many young ministry couples are forced to leave their current church situations to find sufficient wages to meet end's meat?
Of course, there will always be smaller churches that actually cannot pay their ministry help due to their small size and that would be considered acceptable.
In another thread, Deacon's Blues is a fine example of a person willing to spread out available resources to pay additional ministry help.
This will most likely stir up a hornet's nest, but lets talk about.
I don't agree that if a church can't adequately pay for a position then that church isn't large for that ministry. If that were the case, my church shouldn't have a pastor!
Good thing the youth leader isn't there to get paid, cause otherwise the teens wouldn't have the excitement in their life because of her ministry!
Thankfully, the women's leader isn't in that position to get paid. Most of the time, she puts in her own money to further that ministry without reimbursement.
The men's leader doesn't get paid either. I hope he doesn't leave the church over it.
The children's church minister....that's right. They aren't paid either. Not a penny. Thankfully, they don't believe that since they aren't paid, the church isn't large enough for their ministry.
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Of course, there will always be smaller churches that actually cannot pay their ministry help due to their small size and that would be considered acceptable.
According to Rhoni, if they can't afford it, they are too small for that ministry.
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I don't agree that if a church can't adequately pay for a position then that church isn't large for that ministry. If that were the case, my church shouldn't have a pastor!
Good thing the youth leader isn't there to get paid, cause otherwise the teens wouldn't have the excitement in their life because of her ministry!
Thankfully, the women's leader isn't in that position to get paid. Most of the time, she puts in her own money to further that ministry without reimbursement.
The men's leader doesn't get paid either. I hope he doesn't leave the church over it.
The children's church minister....that's right. They aren't paid either. Not a penny. Thankfully, they don't believe that since they aren't paid, the church isn't large enough for their ministry.
But if they don't get paid then they are just amateurs not professionals ....
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Yes...I have comments. There is a difference if you were born and raised in a church, work an outside job, and volunteer to teach a Sunday School Class or work with the Youth Department. This is right and good...
I am talking about churches who have the money to adequately support other ministries and want free workers. I believe the tithes are to support the ministries of the church, not the Pastor only.
For instance: A fair wage for a decent size church, 120-250, for the Pastor would be 45-50% of the tithes or a base salary of $50,000.00 plus benefits. 30% of the tithe could go to support other ministries, such as asstant Pastor, or Youth Pastor or Minister of Music. As the church grows it could add on Counselors, and Outreach workers.
I am NOT of the opinion that ministry workers should work free. The Bible tells us that a servant is worthy of his hire. What I hate is taking advantage of volunteer laborers, such as; media people, musicians, and even counselors who give time and money [ususally have to buy their own materials to work with], and take time away from their place of employment and or their families.
You want quality help...you should pay for it. It is easy to say that if they loved God they'd do it free...why don't the Pastors get a job and do the same thing..free!
Too late.
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