Could You Spot Jezebel in Your Church?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by El Predicador

Would you even recognize a Jezebel in your church?

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! Would she stand out or blend in.

What made Jezebel stand out or blend in my preacher friends?

Fixing herself up like most of the women in this region did during the historical time period ... as they do today

....or what is it her evil attitude?

You and I both know it was the latter.

Was it her brushing her hair and her painting herself that brought judgment to her and her house?

The term Jezebel, equated w/ being a temptress, in our Western culture has the same stigma the Doubting Thomas has. Both labels however are misnomers and do not fairly characterize these personages.

I submit that there are women and men in America's churches that have the Spirit of Jezebel and has little to do w/ their use of cosmetics ... nor are these the tell-tale signs of their evil attitudes.

There are plenty of Oneness women, and Baptist women, (and men for that matter) ....

sitting in the pews Holiness churches that preach against makeup that have this Jezebel spirit ... and it has nothing to do w/ cosmetics ...

nor the skin matching blush, foundation the women are wearing or the light eyeliner or lipstick they carefully and secretly put on as to make it look natural.

Just as there are some who go to liberal churches who have it caked on like Tammy Fayes ... who have this spirit.

The true marker that distinguishes whether a Jezebel either stands out or blends in your very church would be if they practiced the rebellious, idolatrous and immoral sins she engaged in.

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Let's go to the bible archives ... shall we???
... rather than our manuals:

Jezebel was a deceitful woman and idolatrous who uses her husband and later her sons to gain and retain power over Israel. In addition to instituting the worship of her pagan god in Israel and causing temples to be built in his honor, Jezebel is responsible for the execution of many prophets of Jehovah, the God of the Jewish people she rules. After Jezebel engineers the death of a man named Naboth and his sons by wrongly accusing them of treason, so that Ahab may take possession of their vineyard, the prophet Elijah prophesies Jezebel's violent death.


Jezebel survives both Ahab and her elder son, Ahaziah, as queen. Her younger son, Joram, succeeds to the throne, but is killed by Jehu, who thereafter becomes king of Israel. During the revolt led by Jehu, Jezebel is also killed, fulfilling Elijah's prophecy. She is pushed out of her window and her corpse is eaten by dogs.

http://www.wisegeek.com/who-is-jezebel.htm

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Jezebel is usually associated with clothes, makeup, seduction ... that's a superficial skin deep approach to a deeper and more serious issue.

The deeper truth is her spiritual deception. Both men and women that want control over a church, congregation can operate with a Jezebel spirit. The spirit of Jezebel is genderless ... my preacher friends.

A Jezebel spirit is one who inappropriately through hostile measures takes possession of God-ordained positions of authority. He/She is manipulative, conniving & uses intimidation (threats, speaks spells ) to dominate and control people.

The spirit of Jezebel is a lustful spirit, she lusts after the worship of self and the gods of this world. She hates the prophetic voice of God and will try and silence God's prophets.

And this spirit can come in the form of some the holiest looking people we know. Even an 80 year old saint of a woman dressed in Holiness garb.

The flawed thinking your paradigm mistakenly state that if that 80 year old woman puts on lipstick, ... she must want to seduce someone and therefore is a Jezebel ... GIVE US BREAK!!!!!

She'd could have the spirit of Jezebel w/ or without that lipstick.

It's a faulty cause and effect relationship that does not examine the root.

One writer states:

Sin by association is not necessarily sin at all.

Let's suppose it was written about Jezebel: "And when Jehu was come to
Jezreel, Jezebel heard of it; and she put on her wonder bra, red panty hose and shiny black patented leather high heeled shoes, together with her silk yellow dress. And combing her hair loose so it hung to her waist, she looked out at a window." Would this make wonder bras sin per se? Would silk yellow dresses become a sin to wear?

How about black patented shoes or having a brushed head of
hair loose to the waist, would they be sin also?

What if it had been written that Jezebel perfumed herself and put on a pearl necklace, would that nullify the verses where such are used in a good sense, and so become sin for all women to use perfume or a necklace?

Back to Woodrow:

" .......Camphire, mentioned in the Song of Solomon(1:14;4:13) and identified as henna (Strong's Concordance, #3724), provided a much used reddish-orange dye.

Concerning this, the Encyclopedia Judaica (Vol.8, p. 327) says: 'Throughout the ages the peoples of the East prized this beautiful, fast dye which was used for dying the hair and nails.'

Henna was also used on the palms of the hands and soles of
the feet.

Considering how well-known and how widely used these various forms of make-up were in the land of the Bible, if God was against its use, why is it nowhere stated in the Bible?
How true is the statement:

'Man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart' (1 Samuel 16:7)!

http://www.keithhunt.com/Makeup3.html

Lastly the Jezebel of the bible ... including the one, an alluring prophetess, that John writes of in Revelation is not directly associated w/ sexual promiscuity per se ... although, of course, sexual perversion was always part of pagan worship ...

Her seduction was a spiritual one ... one that sought to seduce the king of Israel and the people of God away from the Holy One of Israel.

so to answer your question ... can I recognize one in my church ... I'd hope so before she or he brings irreparable damage to the congregation ... but it wouldn't be because of his or her cosmetics but it would be THE ATTITUDE.

[SDG]

I think the premise that if a woman is wearing some form of makeup she is a prostitute and not a child of God washed by the blood of the Lamb is offensive and tramples on the children of the Most High and His sacrifice.

It also condemns a great majority of women ... in Oneness Pentecost, including preachers wives, whose purses are filled w/ Estee Lauder, Looreal, Avon and Mary Kay cosmetics in their purses.

Jezebel was not notorious in Israel for eye makeup.

[El Predicador]

Jezebel as far as make-up was pre-Pentcost. Israelites had no prohibition about being fancy dressers (ie dress to impress) . NT does.

[SDG]

Could you spot Jezebel in a Holiness church?

Could it be your associate pastor ... your Sunday school teacher?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by El Predicador

Jezebel as far as make-up was pre-Pentcost. Israelites had no prohibition about being fancy dressers (ie dress to impress) . NT does.

More dispensationalist mumbo-jumbo. Could you spot Jezebel in your church, Senor Smoke.

[bkstokes]

I agree

I think the key to understanding who Jezsebeel is understanding that she was a woman who influenced not only her husband, but a whole nation to follow after idolatry. Is there ground to say that she used seduction? I will say that whenever men and women are involved in power struggles the women are always accused of seduction. Whether it takes place or not -- only those involved and God are aware of this information.

[bkstokes]

Dan

I will say that years ago I heard Clifton Le June teach a lesson and in that lesson he talked about how make-up accentuates or makes visible what a women could possible be like in more intense moments. I am not exagerating.

[El Predicador]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

More dispensationalist mumbo-jumbo. Could you spot Jezebel in your church, Senor Smoke.

Dividing the Bible into pre-Calvary and post-Calvary is "dispensationalist mumbo-jumb"??????????????? Sad.

But the answer to your question is, of course. It's called discernment. A gift of the Holy Ghost. You know that OPTIONAL blessing you get after being saved.

[AmericanAngel]

Sooooooooooooo...
is "Dew Kiss" by Avon Jezabelionish?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by bkstokes

Dan

I will say that years ago I heard Clifton Le June teach a lesson and in that lesson he talked about how make-up accentuates or makes visible what a women could possible be like in more intense moments. I am not exagerating.

This man taught this in a church? Why do Holiness standards teachings focus so much ... or intimate .... sexual innuendo?

Its seems a bit obsessive. Makeup now give women the orgasmic look?

It's sick.