Origins of Good Friday

gloryseeker · #1 03-22-2008, 11:33 AM

Hey you history buffs, does anyone know where the celebrations of Good Friday started?

Was this a Catholic thing or a Christian thing? In reality all creation moan and the crucifixion and death of Christ and our power and victory is in the resurrection....in my abstractly logical mind it doesn't seem like it would be a "Christian" celebration.

I know there have been a lot of pagan rituals behind the celebrations of Easter and Christmas, but what about Good Friday

Pressing-On · #2 03-22-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by gloryseeker

Hey you history buffs, does anyone know where the celebrations of Good Friday started?

Was this a Catholic thing or a Christian thing? In reality all creation moan and the crucifixion and death of Christ and our power and victory is in the resurrection....in my abstractly logical mind it doesn't seem like it would be a "Christian" celebration.

I know there have been a lot of pagan rituals behind the celebrations of Easter and Christmas, but what about Good Friday

I'm not sure, but it will probably go back to the Catholic Church, I'm sure.

Just wanted to tell a funny story. I was mailing a package yesterday and the girls in the "Goin' Postal" store were talking about what they were going to eat for lunch. The Owners are Catholic. One of the girls piped up and said, "I can eat meat today, I'm not Catholic."

Digging4Truth · #3 03-24-2008, 07:40 AM

I don't remember... it's been a while.

But it, along with Easter (Ishtar) will have pagan beginnings.

The remembrance set forth by Jesus and followed by the apostles was set yearly by the jewish festival of passover. Not by the movements of the moon as Easter is set by.

Easter is a rehashed pagan fertility festival (hence the tendency to always have bunnies & eggs associated with it) with the usual Catholic installed thin veneer of Christianity.

It was most likely the jewish people taking part in a sunrise service in conjuction with this very pagan festival that God was talking about when he said...

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Eze 8:13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, [and] thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.
Eze 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which [was] toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
Eze 8:15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen [this], O son of man? turn thee yet again, [and] thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, [were] about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
Eze 8:17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen [this], O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
Eze 8:18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, [yet] will I not hear them.

Lent is the Catholic conversion of the pagan practice of weeping for Tammuz. There were 40 days of weeping for Tammuz as is the date of the culmination which ends on Easter SUNday.

But, at this point, I don't remember the exact paganisms that Good Friday, Ash Wednesday, Fat Tuesday etc all come from.

tbpew · #4 03-24-2008, 09:49 AM

I can tell you it was not from any one who believes Jesus' words in Matt 12:40.

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

No matter how much fun you have with any version of the many "Fun with Words" games out there...you can not get to three nights with a nineth hour Friday time of death. (note: I would also submit you can not find three days (or day parts) either since Mary came to the tomb before the dawning of the first 'day' of the week)

Digging4Truth · #5 03-24-2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tbpew

I can tell you it was not from any one who believes Jesus' words in Matt 12:40.

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

No matter how much fun you have with any version of the many "Fun with Words" games out there...you can not get to three nights with a nineth hour Friday time of death. (note: I would also submit you can not find any part of three days either since Mary came to the tomb before the dawning of the first 'day' of the week)

My son and I were talking about that this weekend.

We were discussing how amazing it is that in church after church after church after church it will be said Jesus died on Friday and rose on Sunday and he was in the grave for 3 days. LOL

Does ANYBODY stop and do the math?

LOL

Today's Christianity is such a polly parroting entity.

tbpew · #6 03-24-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

My son and I were talking about that this weekend.

We were discussing how amazing it is that in church after church after church after church it will be said Jesus died on Friday and rose on Sunday and he was in the grave for 3 days. LOL

Does ANYBODY stop and do the math?

LOL

Today's Christianity is such a polly parroting entity.

oh, your Digging-ness

....

I am not sure I am ready to bring some digging I have been involved with to AFF, ....just yet. I am very concerned about what may be the ultimate mantra being 'Polly-parroted' in our apostolic circles...our reciting/recreating of the sounds made when we say the English words "in Jesus name".

I will take some time in seeking for God's counsels as to whether I would be doing a service here or not.

regards,
tbpew

Digging4Truth · #7 03-24-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tbpew

oh, your Digging-ness

....

I am not sure I am ready to bring some digging I have been involved with to AFF, ....just yet. I am very concerned about what may be the ultimate mantra being 'Polly-parroted' in our apostolic circles...our reciting/recreating of the sounds made when we say the English words "in Jesus name".

I will take some time in seeking for God's counsels as to whether I would be doing a service here or not.

regards,
tbpew

Do seek his counsel... and, in His time, do share.

Whether over here... or over there...

But whatever you do... do share.

Michael Phelps · #8 03-24-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm not sure, but it will probably go back to the Catholic Church, I'm sure.

Just wanted to tell a funny story. I was mailing a package yesterday and the girls in the "Goin' Postal" store were talking about what they were going to eat for lunch. The Owners are Catholic. One of the girls piped up and said, "I can eat meat today, I'm not Catholic."

Reminds me of a joke I heard years ago......

A non-Catholic man moved into a predominantly Catholic neighborhood. Every Friday, during Lent, he would grill steaks. Well, the smell of the grilling steak would drive the neighbors crazy, and they got together to devise a plan to end this torture. They decided that the only way they could keep this from happening was to convert this gentleman to Catholicism.

They got together one night, went to his house, and for a full hour they shared with him the benefits of becoming a Catholic. Finally, he agreed, so the next day they took him to the church, and the priest began the ritual of baptizing him.

As the priest sprinkled the holy water on the new convert, he said, "You were born a Protestant, you were raised a Protestant, but NOW you're a Catholic"!

The neighbors were happy that their olfactory sense would not be assailed any longer by the aroma of grilling T-bones whilst they were having to satiate their appetites on fish.

So, the next Friday, as the neighbors were arriving home, imagine their chagrin to smell, once again, the delicious aroma of steak wafting thru the neighborhood.

As they ran over to the man's house to inform him as to the error of his ways, rounding the corner, they saw the gentleman with a shaker of seasoning, sprinkling his steaks, saying "You were born a steer, you were raised a steer, but NOW you're a fish!"

Pressing-On · #9 03-24-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Reminds me of a joke I heard years ago......

A non-Catholic man moved into a predominantly Catholic neighborhood. Every Friday, during Lent, he would grill steaks. Well, the smell of the grilling steak would drive the neighbors crazy, and they got together to devise a plan to end this torture. They decided that the only way they could keep this from happening was to convert this gentleman to Catholicism.

They got together one night, went to his house, and for a full hour they shared with him the benefits of becoming a Catholic. Finally, he agreed, so the next day they took him to the church, and the priest began the ritual of baptizing him.

As the priest sprinkled the holy water on the new convert, he said, "You were born a Protestant, you were raised a Protestant, but NOW you're a Catholic"!

The neighbors were happy that their olfactory sense would not be assailed any longer by the aroma of grilling T-bones whilst they were having to satiate their appetites on fish.

So, the next Friday, as the neighbors were arriving home, imagine their chagrin to smell, once again, the delicious aroma of steak wafting thru the neighborhood.

As they ran over to the man's house to inform him as to the error of his ways, rounding the corner, they saw the gentleman with a shaker of seasoning, sprinkling his steaks, saying "You were born a steer, you were raised a steer, but NOW you're a fish!"

LOL!

I thought the funniest line was:

The neighbors were happy that their olfactory sense would not be assailed any longer by the aroma of grilling T-bones whilst they were having to satiate their appetites on fish.

Did you look up all the words for this?

Michael Phelps · #10 03-24-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

LOL!

I thought the funniest line was:

The neighbors were happy that their olfactory sense would not be assailed any longer by the aroma of grilling T-bones whilst they were having to satiate their appetites on fish.

Did you look up all the words for this?

Sometimes I revert back to my sermon writing days, lol. Probably should have substituted "satiate" with "sate".