AMF/Tulsa: the result of "tradition of men"

[Bro-Larry]

When men take a point of scripture and extrapolate it, or extend it out, or stretch it out to mean more than the true God intended meaning, then you have synthesized a doctrine or a tradition of men.

This was Jesus' number one indictment, against the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Jesus said that they made "...the word of God of none effect through your tradition,...: and many such like things ye do." (Mk 7:13).

He gave examples of, to what He was referring. The legalists had taken the commandment: "Honor thy father and mother", and extrapolated it to mean that if they pledged all their estate to the temple, they would be released from their obligation to care for their aged parents. Greedy! Greedy!

Jesus also pointed out that they had extended simple hygenic practices of the law to included all kinds of cumbersome ceremonial procedures that placed unnecessarily heavy burdens on God's people.

No wonder that no one could ever keep "their law". (Jesus kept the royal law.)

The Apostolic Movement; though not monolythic, has "many such like things ye do"; this is the same as, "...,teaching for doctrines the commandments of men". (Mk 7:7)

When these dogmas are raised to the level of God's intended meaning, they become sacred cows, in the minds of the adhearants. When those sacred cows are kicked over, some just can't let go of them.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by big-larry

When men take a point of scripture and extrapolate it, or extend it out, or stretch it out to mean more than the true God intended meaning, then you have synthesized a doctrine or a tradition of men.

This was Jesus' number one indictment, against the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Jesus said that they made "...the word of God of none effect through your tradition,...: and many such like things ye do." (Mk 7:13).

He gave examples of, to what He was referring. The legalists had taken the commandment: "Honor thy father and mother", and extrapolated it to mean that if they pledged all their estate to the temple, they would be released from their obligation to care for their aged parents. Greedy! Greedy!

Jesus also pointed out that they had extended simple hygenic practices of the law to included all kinds of cumbersome ceremonial procedures that placed unnecessarily heavy burdens on God's people.

No wonder that no one could ever keep "their law". (Jesus kept the royal law.)

The Apostolic Movement; though not monolythic, has "many such like things ye do"; this is the same as, "...,teaching for doctrines the commandments of men". (Mk 7:7)

When these dogmas are raised to the level of God's intended meaning, they become sacred cows, in the minds of the adhearants. When those sacred cows are kicked over, some just can't let go of them.

Since you named AMF and Tulsa in your thread title, wouldn't it only be right to show the examples of how these 2 groups fit into what you are saying above?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by big-larry

When men take a point of scripture and extrapolate it, or extend it out, or stretch it out to mean more than the true God intended meaning, then you have synthesized a doctrine or a tradition of men.

This was Jesus' number one indictment, against the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Jesus said that they made "...the word of God of none effect through your tradition,...: and many such like things ye do." (Mk 7:13).

He gave examples of, to what He was referring. The legalists had taken the commandment: "Honor thy father and mother", and extrapolated it to mean that if they pledged all their estate to the temple, they would be released from their obligation to care for their aged parents. Greedy! Greedy!

Jesus also pointed out that they had extended simple hygenic practices of the law to included all kinds of cumbersome ceremonial procedures that placed unnecessarily heavy burdens on God's people.

No wonder that no one could ever keep "their law". (Jesus kept the royal law.)

The Apostolic Movement; though not monolythic, has "many such like things ye do"; this is the same as, "...,teaching for doctrines the commandments of men". (Mk 7:7)

When these dogmas are raised to the level of God's intended meaning, they become sacred cows, in the minds of the adhearants. When those sacred cows are kicked over, some just can't let go of them.

I think that is a pretty good assessment of what has happened in some churches, fellowships, etc.

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Since you named AMF and Tulsa in your thread title, wouldn't it only be right to show the examples of how these 2 groups fit into what you are saying above?

I thought the implication was clear enough. I've learned that a posting here is not as easy as it looks. You have to choose your words very carefully, otherwise there'll be so many side issue posts that you can't address them all. The more you answer the more they replicate.

When Res #4 was passed, somebody's sacred cows got kicked over, so they left the mothership.

I know Churches that are AMF even some that joined up with the Tulsa group and some that are in UPC that have pretty much the same standard.
Will we all agree on every thing?? No, but the Revelation of who Jesus Christ is, is our common factor.

Saying or calling the UPC the Mothership makes it sound like something from Star Wars.
We all go back to the beginning of the Church not the Organization.

[Bro-Larry]

There are many other sacred cows, besides TV. Pants, shorts, jewlery, make-up, ball games, movies, men/women's hair, red dresses, open-toed shoes, and the list goes on and on, ad nauseam. In many individual cases I've seen, these traditions of men are just ignored, however it the case of TV, license holders were forced be a non licence holder, a non TV owner or a liar.

When push finally came to shove, in the form of Res #4, Tulsa resulted, just as AMF resulted from some of the other traditions of men, being taught for doctrine. I am not saying that AMF and TULSA are either good or bad, just that they resulted from traditions of men being taught for doctrine.

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by sallyjo76

Saying or calling the UPC the Mothership makes it sound like something from Star Wars.
We all go back to the beginning of the Church not the Organization.

See! I didn't coose my words carefully enough. There's one of those side issue posts I was talking about.

SJ, I just used that expression TIC, because I've seen it used on AFF before. I'm not Mothership, AMF or Tulsa.

[Thumper]

So Larry what traditions of men resulted in the formation of the AMF?

[Whole Hearted]

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