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Old 01-09-2008, 11:04 AM
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Global Warming: The Theological Implications of Climate Change

Scientists are telling us that the earth’s climate is drastically changing. Weather patterns all over the planet are underscoring the point. Many scientists claim that they believe that this “global warming” is the result of carbon dioxide gases (greenhouse gases) upsetting the balance of the earth’s ecosystem. While the vast majority of “greenhouse gases” are produced by the oceans and vegetation, roughly 5 to 6% of greenhouse gases are produced and released into the atmosphere by mankind. These scientists tell us that this 5 to 6% of greenhouse gases is just enough to offset nature’s delicate balance. Many well meaning individuals fear that man’s impact is just enough to cause major damage to earth’s ecosystem and they support government controls and regulations on business and production that produces greenhouse gases. These individuals identify with the left of the political spectrum and advocate environmental protection laws.

Other scientists claim that this “global warming” is part of a natural cycle of climate change that occurs in 100,000 year cycles. These researchers present evidence and samples from earth’s past illustrating that changes of this nature are a naturally occurring phenomena in earth’s past and that current warming trends are in line with the cyclical data while underscoring the low percentage of man’s greenhouse gas production (5-6%). Many well meaning individuals believe this data and hold that man’s impact is far too small to upset earth’s natural planetary ecosystem and that current global warming trends are perfectly natural. These individuals resist governmental regulation and controls and identify them as being unnecessary and burdensome on the global economy. These individuals identify themselves with the right of the political spectrum and advocate in favor of business interests and governmental interference. Most Christians, who for the most part lean to the right of the political spectrum, embrace this opinion regarding global warming as it agrees best with their political philosophy.

But I see an issue that’s not been addressed. As a Christian I cannot accept that global warming is part of a natural cycle. Why, you might ask? It’s a matter of theology. Conservative scientists tell us that we are witnessing a natural cycle that occurs every 100,000 years (give or take a few centuries). But as a Christian I cannot embrace that theory because according to Scripture the earth is only between 6,000 and 10,000 years old. Therefore their “evidence” directly contradicts Scripture. Since the earth is only between 6,000 and 10,000 years old (to allow for discrepancies in the biblical lineages) there cannot be a regular 100,000 year cycle as proposed by these researchers. Their data is skewed in that they are interpreting the data according to an evolutionary model that is clearly unbiblical.

So then, if the conservative scientists are in error in regards to their theory of 100,000 year cycles what are we to believe? I cannot speak for anyone else, but I’ll share my opinion here. There are two possibilities I can accept as a Christian:

1.) That man’s production of greenhouse gases indeed is disrupting the balance of the earth’s climate as more liberal researchers claim. Tomes of research papers have been written in support of this theory and the reader is most likely aware of their conclusions therefore I will not comment on them here and allow them to stand or fall on their own merits.

The second theory I may be able to embrace as a Christian would be:

2.) Global Warming - a sign of the impending wrath of God.

The Bible describes a judgment poured out upon the earth in the last days:

“And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.” – Revelation 16:8-9

We are not told in the Revelation how this judgment comes to pass. We do not know the mechanics of such a global judgment that would allow the sun to burn man with great heat. We do not know what early warning signs may exist prior to this judgment being unleashed upon mankind. We do not know if it will be a judgment that is the result of seemingly “natural” causes or if God will allow mankind’s own greed and pollution to contribute to their own judgment of great heat. Either way the end result will be the same, judgment upon man and man’s rejection of God’s divine authority over their lives. Such heat no doubt would melt polar ice caps causing sea levels to rise drastically world wide. Coastal regions would be easily flooded, killing untold thousands, if not millions, and displacing tens if not hundreds of millions. The strain on regional economies would disrupt global markets and send governments into chaos to deal with the global rise in sea levels. If this rise in sea level were to take place slowly over time perhaps the economic and social damage can be minimized. However, if such an event were to take place more rapidly than currently believed the effects could be devastating.

If the earth truly is between 6,000 and 10,000 years old as many biblical scholars and theologians tell us, current trends in climate change are unprecedented in recorded history. However, an examination of biblical history would have us believe that these changes in earth’s climate are the most significant global climate changes since…the great flood. Jesus described the last days as being,

“But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” – Matthew 24:37-39

With war, sin, and violence filling our world; increasing global temperatures and the potential for global flooding indeed make it a day all too similar to the day’s of Noah. This should stand as a solemn warning to all of us who believe. We are indeed maybe living in the times Jesus spoke about and this should make us ever seeking to be prepared to meet our God.
So if one chooses to believe that climate change is the result of man’s impact on the planet’s climate system or a prelude to the fulfillment of prophesy that is for the individual to decide.

Here are a few questions that have been on my mind:

What are the possible repercussions if we neglect this issue?

If man truly is upsetting earth’s delicate balance, do we as Christians have a moral responsibility toward saving the lives and resources that could be lost as a result of climate change? Do we have a moral responsibility toward preserving God’s creation, planet earth?

Are evolutionary theories regarding cyclical climate change every 100,000 years compatible with the Bible?

What would be a thoughtful Christian response to the issue?

Are we missing an opportunity for a global witness?

Should we care?

Those are just questions on my mind. I know that scientists on both sides have their studies and data supporting their conclusions. I’m not a scientist. All I can do is weigh the moral cost of my response to this issue in relation to each position should it be correct. In all honesty, I don’t have any answers. I’m just asking the questions.

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Old 01-09-2008, 12:15 PM
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you should send these theories to albert gore, he would enjoy them, lol,dt
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you should send these theories to albert gore, he would enjoy them, lol,dt
LOL

I highly doubt Al Gore would appreciate the theory that perhaps global warming is a prelude to the wrath of God on a sinful humanity.

But seriously, we Christians appear to take it for granted that global warming is cyclical (a cycle of 100,000 years) as more conservative scientists propose. However, we rarely consider how this contradicts the Bible's teaching on creation. Earth hasn't been evolving cyclically for billions of years as they suppose. If in deed the world was created as a literal reading of Genesis would suppose...global warming may be a very serous and upresidented shift in climate.

What are the moral implications if we ignore something like this and it proves to be very serious for our children, grand-children, or great grand-children?
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sorry chris i guess no body cares about the so called global warming, but i would sure like to have some of it up here in the north, tired of freezing, lol,have a great day, dt
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I guess you will have to join the Weather Channel.

NOAA scientists have replied to Global Warming as "bunk."

More of a Socialist agenda to try to force the "rich" nations (read prosperious) and advance poor nations (read unwilling to try to achieve) at the expense of the citizens of the "rich" areas. It did not work in the Ural Sea to help Siberia. Why do we want to accept this for the entire world?

Come on Mr Hall, tear down this wall

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I also believe the way you do. Weather and climate disasters are related to God "cleansing" mankind. He gave a covenant that He would never again flood the Earth, yet He never gave such covenant after destroying Sodem and Gomorah(spck) I believe famine and sickness in africa is direct result in the many witchcraft religions they believe. Even Uganda christians are touting the changes they have seen since missionaries have started state wide revivals.
The Tsunami in Indonesia, do they not worship idol statues? New Orleans had the highest crime and corruption in the country not including the social immorality prior to Katrina. So far it doesn't look like they learned anything. Ever notice how most Islamic countries lack much to be desired.
God is a rightous judge. I don't see why Global Warming would be any different with the exception it is world wide which could give some meaning to your post. Thing is Bro. Chris, if me and you are correct then what could anyone possibly do about it? That is my argument. Do I really think driving a hybrid is going to reverse the Revelation of the Word? Not really...
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I don't know if there's a political solution. In my opinion countries like China are the worse offenders. I'm just asking the question about the issue...what if we're wrong? Morally speaking. What if those warning us about global warming are correct?

About the cold temperatures...if global warming is taking place it's going to effect pockets of the environment that are most sensitive to temperature changes. Also, global warming can be a prelude to colder temperatures not hotter temperatures. For example, if the polar ice caps are melting and putting too much cold fresh water into the seas, regional currents that carry warm water (and with it warm air) can be disrupted. This will allow for colder temperatures in various regions while other regions experience warmer temperatures. It's pretty interesting.

I work for a Waste Water Treatment plant. We had a little meeting where an environmental engineer was sharing with us global trends and discussing the implications of these trends upon our industry. It was interesting and seriously challenged me. So I asked myself..."What if I'm wrong?" Morally speaking, what if those charting climate change are right and we're wrong? Can you imagine what the world will think of Christians who disregarded a major issue of our day? It would almost make us look like those who wouldn't accept that the world was round.
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Here's an interesting article. Let's read it over, read the related stories, and discuss it.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1126143646.htm
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Here's an interesting article:

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Arctic Sea Ice Shows "Striking" Decline Since 1960s
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ScienceDaily (Nov. 16, 1999) — WASHINGTON -- Scientists using data acquired by U.S. Navy submarines have reported a "striking" reduction in the thickness of Arctic sea ice, as compared with 20-40 years ago. Writing in the December 1 issue of Geophysical Research Letters, Dr. D. Andrew Rothrock of the University of Washington, Seattle, and colleagues say the average draft of the sea ice (that is, its thickness from the ocean surface to the bottom of the ice pack) has declined by 4.3 feet (1.3 meters). This represents a reduction of about 40 percent as compared with the earlier period.

The decrease in sea ice occurs all across the Arctic Ocean and corresponds to previously reported evidence that the Arctic climate is warming, the researchers say. The sea ice data in the 1990s were acquired by the Scientific Ice Expeditions (SCICEX) program, which consisted of six extended cruises by nuclear submarines. This study analyzed data from three autumn cruises: by USS Pargo in 1993, USS Pogy in 1996, and USS Archerfish in 1997.


The SCICEX cruises covered most of the deep Arctic Ocean basin. Measurements of the sea ice thickness showed a perennial ice cover of from 3 to 9 feet (1-3 meters) in mean draft, which was considerably thinner than previous estimates. The earlier data, used for comparison, began with the first nuclear submarine, USS Nautilus, in 1958 and continued through a cruise of HMS Sovereign in 1976. Data from the earlier cruises were adjusted as necessary for the time of year they took place, to correspond with the autumn data acquired in the 1990s. There are few data available from the 1976-1993 period. The researchers conservatively estimate the overall errors in measurement as less than one foot (0.3 meters).


Rothrock writes that the changes from the earlier period to the present are "striking in the uniformity of their sign and in their magnitudes." That is, every one of the 29 sites compared between the earlier cruises and those of the 1990s showed a decline in ice thickness. In certain areas, such as the Nansen Basin and the eastern Arctic, the thinning is over five and a half feet (1.7 meters). Elsewhere, such as the Beaufort Sea and Chukchi Cap, it is around three feet (one meter), and at the North Pole and in the Canada Basin the decrease lies between those extremes. However, the researchers note, this is not an instance of ice thinning in one area while thickening in another, which could be induced by a change in surface wind patterns.


The researchers say the available data are insufficient to provide answers about the cause of the ice loss. They suggest several hypotheses about the flow of heat from the ocean itself, from the atmosphere, and from shortwave radiation. Other avenues to be explored include the amount of precipitation and snow cover in the region and ice movement.


A key topic for future research is whether ice volume has reached a minimum in a multi-decadal cycle or whether the decline will continue into the future. Regardless, the researchers say, the thinning of Arctic ice that has already occurred is "a major climatic signal that needs to be accounted for in a successful theory of climate variability." To help fill the gaps between the earlier and more recent submarine observations, they call for the public release of other ice thickness data gathered by submarines over the past 40 years, which they believe would be "of immense help" in refining this climatic signal.


The study was funded by the National Science Foundation, the Office of Naval Research, and NASA.


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Adapted from materials provided by American Geophysical Union.
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Here is a website for Christians interested in the Christian perspective of environmental stewardship. If believing that the earth is God's creation happens to be merely an academic exercize it's of no value but to tickle the intellect. However, to understand that creation is God's and is therefore worthy of preservation and proper stewardship one takes the belief in creation into the realm of "works." I like to call this, "Applied Creationism." Don't just believe in creation...do something about it.

http://www.creationcare.org/
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