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Old 08-19-2008, 04:38 PM
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Re: Witchcraft = medication

Rico, can you comment on my post regarding wearing glasses or contacts, or using canes or crutches?
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Old 08-19-2008, 04:40 PM
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Re: Witchcraft = medication

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And you wonder why I constantly tell you that you miss the point of my posts. Perhaps it's because you don't read them in the first place.

I posted more than one post on this thread that I believe in going to doctors while I also trust in God. Your post above indicates that you never read those posts.
Sister, I am getting burned out on this conversation for one day. Think what you want to think. I'm starting not to care, at least for the rest of today anyway. Read whatever you want to read in my posts, decide I don't get your point to your heart's content, whatever. I got three more hours on this stupid phone and then I think I am going to get myself a nice bottle of whiskey, and call it a night! Hehehehehehehe! You people could drive Jesus to drink!
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Old 08-19-2008, 04:41 PM
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God's image? RD, I have a lot of respect for those who have had the courage to refuse treatment for illness and rely solely on God for healing. I see it as a great testimony to what it means to be completely dedicated to the Lord in every way imaginable, regardless of the cost. I don't have the courage and type of faith I've seen in those saints, so I don't know what I would do if I found out I had cancer or some other situation that meant certain death. It's easy to boast of accomplishments not yet achieved, if you catch my drift. It's another thing entirely to walk this "no doctors" road all the way to end. People say God gets no glory when someone dies "trusting God." I couldn't disagree with them more if I tried. People are so worried about how things look to man. Who cares how things look to man? How about how they look to God? His ways are so much higher than our ways. It goes against man's reasoning, his common sense if you will, to willingly die in the hands of a God who could easily say the word and do a miracle. It isn't about the miracles or the healings, however. It's about trust.

What do you call a mistaken belief? Faith? Why would you call it faith if it is really a delusion?
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Thank God that Billy Cole didn't have enough faith and went to the hospital.....

Rico, what I don't believe you've actually explained was why you chose to take your daughter to the hospital and refused care for yourself. It appears, according to your definition, that you could trust God for your healing and not for hers.

It's interesting that Luke was described as the "beloved physician" and not the "former physician now beloved Luke".

Rico, just for your info, as a medical person I pray more now for people's healing than I ever did before I worked in the field.
I noticed that he didn't explain that part either, but that's ok. I have a feeling I know the answer.

I also have prayed for people as a nurse. I have prayed more than once at the bedside of someone slipping into eternity. Not saying that to pat myself or anything, but it's an honor for me to pray for the sick and dying.
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Old 08-19-2008, 04:42 PM
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http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/18739334.html Click here for the rest of the story.



Prayer Death Father to Retain Public Defender

Story Created: May 7, 2008

Story Updated: May 7, 2008


WAUSAU, Wis. (AP) -- One parent accused of reckless homicide in an 11-year-old Weston girl's death will get a court-appointed attorney, a judge ruled Wednesday. The other is a hiring private lawyer.

Dale and Leilani Neumann are charged with second-degree reckless homicide in the Easter Sunday death of their daughter, Madeline, at the family's rural home. Prosecutors say they acted recklessly by praying instead of seeking medical help as their daughter got progressively ill from undiagnosed diabetes.

Leilani Neumann, 40, has said the family believes in the Bible, that healing comes from God and they never expected the girl to die.

The couple face up to 25 years in prison if convicted.....


Another story of the same situation: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23832053/

And another: http://theframeproblem.wordpress.com...d-with-prayer/
This was big news in my area, as it happened not far from where I lived.

All kinds of freaky people up there....LOL!
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Sister, I am getting burned out on this conversation for one day. Think what you want to think. I'm starting not to care, at least for the rest of today anyway. Read whatever you want to read in my posts, decide I don't get your point to your heart's content, whatever. I got three more hours on this stupid phone and then I think I am going to get myself a nice bottle of whiskey, and call it a night! Hehehehehehehe! You people could drive Jesus to drink!
As long as you aren't using the whiskey for medicinal purposes and you are using it to get plastered, then you are probably okay...
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The Bible is against one putting their health completely in the hands of the Lord? It's news to me, RD. I've heard quite a bit of preaching on "trusting God only". I can't say that no scriptural backing was ever offered for the belief.
There is so much positive mentioned in scripture about the use of medicines and treatment that one has to willfully explain away. You make this an either-or dilemma where Scripture doesn't.

God has also given man dominion over the land and that includes the intellectual ability to heal and prevent diseases at least to some degree.
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Brother, I took my daughter in because her legs were broken. She was too young at the time to make that sort of decision for herself, so I thought it would be best to get her seen by a doctor. I didn't regret doing it, and my pastor never once said anything negative to me about us getting her treated. She wore them crazy casts out two or three times in the 6 weeks or so she wore them! She still has them in her closet. They are her souvenier of the car accident she barely remembers.
I'm glad you took her in while you also relied and trusted in God to take care of her.

But I can't help but think that if your legs were also broken, you would have sought the same treatment she was rendered.
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As long as those who refuse medical treatment do not wear glasses or other corrective devices (crutch to help you walk, etc.) then they are consistent.
Or have medical insurance for such issues.
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but it's an honor for me to pray for the sick and dying.
Just happened to me yesterday.......and it is an honor.
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