SoCaliUPC~I hear you~ When I was UPC I said what they said, back it up even if it was dead wrong, no proof. Hey if they said the sky was pink, sure enough it was pink, even tho it clearly was blue....Sheep thing.....
joy most of you believe that none of the scriptures that have been pointed out apply. That's why i keep saying that since those who believe this, have no scripture against ANY Lawless behavior concerning Dress.
I take it that you are a strong advocate of women's rights ? (not making any assumptions). If so, what if the tables were turned here? what if Men were allowed to wear both dresses and Pants but women could only wear Dresses ?? wouldn't you think that was a little off ?? You want to apply Dut 22:5 to "MEN ONLY" and that's is not right!
Thad~ You are wrong, Duet 22 is not about pants! It's about behavior~
"Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received, or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him” .
In 2nd Corinthians 11:1-4, Paul warns us that some people are dangerous and extremely hazardous to our spiritual health. There are many people today, just as then, who preach ANOTHER JESUS—not the Jesus which the Scriptures portray. If someone comes along and teaches that Jesus never died on the cross, then you know he’s an imposter, heretic~
This here is where the teaching of dress standard has become another Gospel in it's self~If someone teaches that trusting Jesus as Savior is not enough in itself to be saved, then you know that he is of the devil !~
Paul also warns us of those who bring in another gospel or another spirit , “For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, "this includes the outward dress teachings" whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, [b] "this would be one of man" !
The Gospel is the “good news” of salvation., by God’s grace through our faith in Christ alone. There are religions everywhere which teach OTHER methods of getting to Heaven. Like the outward teaching as a sign. A sign to whom? They do this to their own destruction!
If anything Thad, your a great example of what happens when someone feeds of the breast of an organization they stay on milk way to long~ You need to move on to meat of the word, get understanding, the food of God!
I don't think anyone has said you are a liberal....however, given your statements...in the eyes of some, you are that. I will say that some will say that, indeed, the whole pants on women is a Biblical...not organizational...one.
I would really like to see you and one of our elders debate this. I have a feeling that you will be saying you want an honest discussion with them as well.
Maybe you missed the several posts where Thad claimed I believed something that I never said nor implied.
Just because you don't like Fords doesn't mean you love Chevy's.
That's how Thad discusses issues, and that's the dishonesty I was addressing.
I have discussed this issue with several people, most of whom had honest discussion even if we disagreed in the end.
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Just gonna step in and say.....HeavenlyOne...you know Thad is talking about UPC standards. In the UPC, any type of pant (whether it be a male pant or female pant) is considered men's attire. You know that is where he is coming from.
But Thad doesn't believe that both male & female pants are men's attire. He has already said that he would NOT buy/wear pants bought from the women's department.
Thad, why wouldn't you buy or wear pants from the women's department?
If so, what if the tables were turned here? what if Men were allowed to wear both dresses and Pants but women could only wear Dresses ?? wouldn't you think that was a little off ?? You want to apply Dut 22:5 to "MEN ONLY" and that's is not right!
How about If I bring my Choir to sing at your church, All the Women will wear Pants (as you like) and ALL the Men will wear Dresses!!! How's that?? Wouldn't you Love that ????HOw would that go over ???
Thad your wasting your time with some here. They don't want Truth, they want to live like the world.
But Thad doesn't believe that both male & female pants are men's attire. He has already said that he would NOT buy/wear pants bought from the women's department.
Thad, why wouldn't you buy or wear pants from the women's department?
You know and I know....and I think Thad knows....that women's pants are made differently. There is a distinctive look to them.
However, according to the UPC...this is wrong and is still men's attire. You grew up UPC and I think still part of it....you know this to be true.
No man, Thad included, would buy pants in the woman's section.....because they would be obviously female pants. HOWEVER....the very idea that it is PANTS is what makes a distinction.
You know and I know....and I think Thad knows....that women's pants are made differently. There is a distinctive look to them.
However, according to the UPC...this is wrong and is still men's attire. You grew up UPC and I think still part of it....you know this to be true.
No man, Thad included, would buy pants in the woman's section.....because they would be obviously female pants. HOWEVER....the very idea that it is PANTS is what makes a distinction.
I understand what you're saying as I was raised UPC; however, he can't have it both ways - he can't say that ALL pants are men's attire AND that he would never wear pants from the women's department because they are women's pant.
I understand what you're saying as I was raised UPC; however, he can't have it both ways - he can't say that ALL pants are men's attire AND that he would never wear pants from the women's department because they are women's pant.
Would love to hear what a UPC minister has to say on all of this.
You know and I know....and I think Thad knows....that women's pants are made differently. There is a distinctive look to them.
However, according to the UPC...this is wrong and is still men's attire. You grew up UPC and I think still part of it....you know this to be true.
No man, Thad included, would buy pants in the woman's section.....because they would be obviously female pants. HOWEVER....the very idea that it is PANTS is what makes a distinction.
Be honest here, Socali...you live in California and I'm sure you see lots of things that many of us others don't.
Do you consider men who wear women's pants to be cross-dressing? Or do you feel that it's ok, cause they are, after all (according to the UPC) to be men's apparel in disguise?
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