Witchcraft = medication

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Oneness Man

How about the ones that refuse treatment, trust God completely even though they are riduculed by supposedly brothers and sisters in the Lord, and Live? This is something that many Apostolics fail to see.

That is beside the point. The world is going to see just the ones that said "God is going to heal me so I refuse treatment" and die. I know atheists do. What I posted is about our witness to those outside.

Also it's one thing to say "I was trusting in God to heal" and another to say "Our religion teaches we should avoid medical help from anyone other than God"

Because in the second they see that this is a matter of our religion teaching this is a MUST and the first is purely a personal choice

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Rico

and my pastor never once said anything negative to me about us getting her treated.

I should hope not! Otherwise new pastor!

A sincere question, hypothetically, if you are hurt in an accident and you had obvious organ damage, like your intestines were hanging out, would you go to the hospital?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Oneness Man

I think that it is pretty ridiculous that people don't trust God completely to heal them, especially when says, "For we walk by faith, not by sight".

God is my judge and it doesn't matter what anyone else says. My son trusts God completely even though many people on here don't. People on here like to ridicule Apostolics who don't believe in taking medication and going to the doctor, because it is the natural(carnal) thing to do.

You fail to realize that He answers everytime.

See, this here is part of the issue. You try to make it about others mocking you, yet time and time again you have said things like the above about THEM. Ridiculous. Well don't be surprised if they say what you do is ridiculous too. Then you like to imply they lack a certain amount of faith, yet there are people who have gone to doctors and were still healed by God and there are people that shunned doctors,having great faith, and died. So this issue of "God is my judge" goes both ways.

[Brad Murphy]

As long as those who refuse medical treatment do not wear glasses or other corrective devices (crutch to help you walk, etc.) then they are consistent.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

I should hope not! Otherwise new pastor!

A sincere question, hypothetically, if you are hurt in an accident and you had obvious organ damage, like your intestines were hanging out, would you go to the hospital?

Probably not, but I can't say for sure. Maybe my motives are a bit selfish, but I believe to live is Christ and to die is gain.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Rico

Probably not, but I can't say for sure. Maybe my motives are a bit selfish, but I believe to live is Christ and to die is gain.

Wow! Hope you'd change your mind and take care of God's image.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Oneness Man

No, this doesn't settle because there are people on here that don't trust God completely to be able to heal them without medication, but it is completely understandable since we live in a pill world. The carnal mind only thinks about using medication for a cure all and don't seek God to heal them. Now, that is one of the things wrong in Apostolic circles today.

Why does one have to stop life saving treatment before God can heal them anyways? You ever try, you and your spouse, to just quit your jobs and expect God to supply your every need for the rest of your lives? And clearly some DO die or not get healed who have shunned treatment....yet had they got treatment they or their child would be alive.

Why do you keep adding the "without medication"? You don't know the faith of anyone on this board. They were using "cures" way back in the bible days too and when they trusted in Jesus he did not say "no, you went to the Dr first so I won't heal you"

Also great faith? The bible says all you need is the faith the size of a mustard seed and that we ALL have a measure of faith. So this carnal test of yours to divide between those that have GREAT FAITH (yourself) and others is flawed and sounds like it comes more from the carnal man than anything else. Paul told Timothy to use a little wine for his stomach problems....why not just tell him to trust God and be healed and not try something "carnal"?

[Praxeas]

Do people with "GREAT FAITH" shun brushing their teeth too? Why not trust in God to protect you from cavities and bad breath? Why use carnal methods? Pray for your teeth and bad breath instead

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Do people with "GREAT FAITH" shun brushing their teeth too? Why not trust in God to protect you from cavities and bad breath? Why use carnal methods? Pray for your teeth and bad breath instead

Or using soap in the shower (or refusing showers or baths completely!).

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why does one have to stop life saving treatment before God can heal them anyways? You ever try, you and your spouse, to just quit your jobs and expect God to supply your every need for the rest of your lives? And clearly some DO die or not get healed who have shunned treatment....yet had they got treatment they or their child would be alive.

Why do you keep adding the "without medication"? You don't know the faith of anyone on this board. They were using "cures" way back in the bible days too and when they trusted in Jesus he did not say "no, you went to the Dr first so I won't heal you"

Also great faith? The bible says all you need is the faith the size of a mustard seed and that we ALL have a measure of faith. So this carnal test of yours to divide between those that have GREAT FAITH (yourself) and others is flawed and sounds like it comes more from the carnal man than anything else. Paul told Timothy to use a little wine for his stomach problems....why not just tell
him to trust God and be healed and not try something "carnal"?

Prax, you know the position is one of faulty exegesis and not understanding the historical context at the time of the writing.