Tithing…Is it a command? - Page 91

good samaritan · #**901** 10-06-2014, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

2 Corinthians 9:6-7English Standard Version (ESV)

The Cheerful Giver

6 The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully[a] will also reap bountifully. 7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

I agree with the law of sowing and reaping. Do you think most people you know could pay a minimum of 10% of their weekly earnings to the kingdom of God. I am not meaning the local church, but somewhere invested in the kingdom of God . I am just asking do you think most could make arrangements to pay 10% into God's kingdom.

good samaritan · #**902** 10-06-2014, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

I see no command for weekly giving. I got paid every 2 weeks.

The scripture says as you have prospered. If you get paid every two weeks then one week you actually don't prosper do you?

Sean · #**903** 10-06-2014, 06:53 PM

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Sean I make a gross of 1400 a month and it has been this was for several years. I have 2 kids and pay rent, but I have paid tithes (for the most part) for the last ten years anyways. once again I don't place a command on it to my church, but I already know that many that say they can't afford to really can. I don't want their money I just want to see them grow in their walk with God.

I am telling this to you now because of the topic of this thread, but I don't say things like this to my church. I consider it meddling. I am not telling people in my church that they must tithe, but I am not going to pat someone on the back and tell them they are doing all they can. When in fact their contributions don't show it in anyway. We are not blind you can most of the time see if someone is trying or not.

Brother, if you want the Lord to bless you with even more abundance, denounce tithing publically...LOL

If its good enough for others, its good enough for you right?...LOL

Sean · #**904** 10-06-2014, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

There are things that are time specific and there are things that are applicable till Christ returns. Taking a collection up for the saints in Jerusalem is over.

Guys, Rudy is making a good point here. Yall need to follow it closely. Some things are documented as "historical" and can be applied in a similar sense. But this particular instance could be used today similarly to take up an offering to help our brethren in a 3rd world country, not weekly giving to your church for the rest of your life.

Follow the context to develop your "pattern" of giving.

Sean · #**905** 10-06-2014, 07:04 PM

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I agree with you in a lot of ways, but change should take place carefully and prayerfully. Tithing isn't the problem, but this nation has been a nation who serve mammon. We probably are known all over the world as the most material sell out your own mother nation in the world. It isn't just ministers with the problem it is this nation. The problem is bigger than we know.

Well, watch Christian programming for a few hours...these guys are doing everything to relieve us of our mammon.

We are right behind them in some of our churches. Selling Malachi to the saints....telling them to tithe and just wait for the lord to open the windows of heaven. Meanwhile, the Lord just watches us....

good samaritan · #**906** 10-06-2014, 07:06 PM

Rudy I believe you need to read 1 Corinthians 16 and then 2 Corinthians chapter 9 and notice the similarities. Paul is talking about the same commandment of offerings. You bring 2 Cor. 9 as your source to give when it is the same situation that you dismissed that I suggested early about when and how to give. The difference between these two chapters is that 1 Cor. 16 is more specific in the method whereas 2 Cor. 9 is more specific about the attitude.

Here is my conclusion: people don't want you to give them application because then they become accountable. You can tell someone to give to the Lord as they purpose in their heart and they don't feel much obligation. Sunday they will put one or two dollars in the pan and will feel good about their selves because they think they have cheerfully done it freewill from the heart. Many of the posts that has been on this thread doesn't challenge anyone to give more it only excuses people not to give as much and then turns it around to make all preachers greedy. In this society dominated by money people who on average have 2 cars to a family and live nice homes with all the accessories, but are cheap skates with charitable giving. If Christians want to argue that churches are greedy(which is usually a personal issue for their self) they just need to take that generous offering every week and they need to seek God for some place to give it that He will get the glory. You know the prophets and preachers in the Old Testament were rejected and nobody liked them because they went around telling them they were wrong, but were they right. I have agreed several times that you can't prove that tithing carried over into the NT, but I like a quote someone said of Adrian Rogers said. I would hate to know that a Jew under the law will out give me a Christian under grace. Where much is given much is required. One of these days all the people who believe that the God who forgave so much actually had expectations out of his bride in return. Marriage is contract between two not just one.

Sean · #**907** 10-06-2014, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

I see no command for weekly giving. I got paid every 2 weeks.

sinner

Sean · #**908** 10-06-2014, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

2 Corinthians 9:6-7English Standard Version (ESV)

The Cheerful Giver

6 The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully[a] will also reap bountifully. 7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Bingo!

good samaritan · #**909** 10-06-2014, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Well, watch Christian programming for a few hours...these guys are doing everything to relieve us of our mammon.

We are right behind them in some of our churches. Selling Malachi to the saints....telling them to tithe and just wait for the lord to open the windows of heaven. Meanwhile, the Lord just watches us....

That is not the circles I fellowship nor do I have confidence any of the ones you have in mind.

good samaritan · #**910** 10-06-2014, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Guys, Rudy is making a good point here. Yall need to follow it closely. Some things are documented as "historical" and can be applied in a similar sense. But this particular instance could be used today similarly to take up an offering to help our brethren in a 3rd world country, not weekly giving to your church for the rest of your life.

Follow the context to develop your "pattern" of giving.

How come you agree with 2 Cor. 9 and not 1 Cor. 16? Read them together and see what you think.