Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[Sister Alvear]

Brother Scott, I am not in any way saying God calls a woman to be a bishop I am just saying God does use women.

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

I don't have a youngs is it pretty good ?I have a Strongs and a Cruden concordance.

I like it I too have Strongs...both are good

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Deborah is considered one of the wisest women in the Old Testament. All her activities didn’t hinder her from being a good wife. As judge, she exercised authority in legal matters. As prophetess, she proclaimed the Word of God under divine inspiration. As poet, she wrote poems; she was a gifted woman. She exercised political leadership, military leadership and religious leadership. It would not be an exaggeration to suggest that many men filled the post Deborah occupied with fewer results.

Military leadership? Sister Alvear you are wrong.

Jdg 9:53-54

"And a certain woman cast a piece of a millstone upon Abimelech's head, and all to brake his skull. Then he called hastily unto the young man his armourbearer, and said unto him, Draw thy sword, and slay me, THAT MEN SAY NOT OF ME, A WOMAN SLEW HIM. And his young man thrust him through, and he died."

It was a disgrace to have a woman kill a man in battle. Therefore we understand that Deborah being a judge was an indication of where Israel was spiritually. In other words Israel's condition was so bad that a woman was in a MAN'S POSITION.

Lord bless you Sister and your husband

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

[Scott Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Brother Scott, I am not in any way saying God calls a woman to be a bishop I am just saying God does use women.

Yes I agree,I don't see women as bishops in the NT,but certainly women do have a place in ministry work.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Jdg 4:6

"And she sent and called Barak the son of Abinoam out of Kedeshnaphtali, and said unto him, HATH NOT THE LORD GOD OF ISRAEL COMMANDED, SAYING, Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the children of Zebulun?"

When we read the scripture, we see plainly that God had spoken to Barak first before Deborah. Deborah calls Barak to remind him of God's command.
Barak is an example of the leadership of a backslidden Israel.

[Sister Alvear]

was isreal still backslide after the battle?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Jdg 4:8-9

"And Barak said unto her, If thou wilt go with me, then I will go: but if thou wilt not go with me, then I will not go. And she said, I will surely go with thee: notwithstanding the journey that thou takest shall NOT be for THINE HONOUR; for the LORD shall sell Sisera into THE HAND OF A WOMAN. And Deborah arose, and went with Barak to Kedesh."

Jdg 9:53-54

"And a certain woman cast a piece of a millstone upon Abimelech's head, and all to brake his skull. Then he called hastily unto the young man his armourbearer, and said unto him, Draw thy sword, and slay me, THAT MEN SAY NOT OF ME, A WOMAN SLEW HIM. And his young man thrust him through, and he died."

Pretty plain what is being shown in the case of Deborah and Barak.

It was not a good thing to have a woman in a man's position, it was a mark of disgrace.

Deborah is a benchmark in Israel's history as a time of failure, and that a woman Jael, had to be used to kill the enemy.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

was isreal still backslide after the battle?

Better question when did Israel get it right? Sister Alvear, Israel goes from backslidden to a short time of victory until she refuses God Himself as their King, and beg their last judge Samuel to give them a king like all the other heathens. It does not get better for Israel until David, and even David drops the watermelon. Sister Alvear after Deborah, please show me all the other female leaders of Israel.

Please I really mean you no offence and hope you will take none.

Respectfully

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

[TK Burk]

The Bible speaks of women being chosen to serve in the Church. Nowhere are they said to operate as an apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, or teacher. However it does mention women of approved character and piety being involved in ministering within the church to certain needs and to other women. Such “ministering” does not involve having any authority over their own husbands or over other men in the congregation. Paul mentions a woman’s role in ministry in his epistle to Titus.

Titus 2:3-5
(3) The aged women likewise, that they be in behavior as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
(4) That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
(5) To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Their service was regarded as very important to the Kingdom of God. In History of the First Century, Mosheim speaks about these women as follows: “The Eastern Churches elected deaconesses, and chose for that purpose, matrons, or widows, of eminent sanctity, who also ministered to the necessities of the poor, and performed several other offices, that tended to order and decency in the Church.”

Paul mentions such labor in his epistle to the church at Philippi.

Philippians 4:3
(3) And I entreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellow laborers, whose names are in the book of life.

Here are a few biblical examples of how such women served in the Kingdom of God:
• The Shunamite women ministered to Elisha (II Kings 4)
• Martha served the Lord and His Disciples (Luke 10:38-42; John 12:2, 26)
• After Peter’s mother-in-law was healed, she ministered to Jesus (Matthew 8:14-15; Mark 1:31)
• Certain women ministered to Jesus: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee’s children (Matthew 27:55-56)
• Joanna, the wife of Herod’s stewards, Susanna, and many others also ministered to Jesus (Luke 8:1-3)
• Dorcas ministered to the needs of the poor (Acts 9:36-40)
• Paul asked the Church at Rome to help Phebe in whatever she was doing. She was a deaconesses and servant at the Church at Cenchrea (Romans 16:1-2)

These women played a fundamental role in the Kingdom of God. Their service was a service to God. But what must be noted is that none of their roles were ever said to involve positions in the five-fold ministry. Those positions were limited to men that were called and who met the biblical qualifications.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by A_PoMo

My friend, if you think you were being kind then you need to seriously re-evaluate the way you interact with people because your rudeness and arrogance is so ingrained in your way of thinking that you're blind to your boorishness, and that's a sad place to be. You are obviously an intelligent person who pursues truth. You just have not demonstrated on this forum the ability to carry on a respectful discussion with people who disagree with your opinion, an opinion btw that you would do well to acknowledge could possibly be wrong. You cannot be right about everything, none of us can. But you assume the position of superiority in every discussion where I've read your pov on this forum and you treat people as if we are morons. I, for one, will not have a discussion with someone who behaves as you do. Perhaps others will, but I don't have time to attempt to give my point of view and then unravel all of your mischaracterizations of my opinion, defend myself against your false charges, while all the while absorbing your insults and innuendo. I just don't have the time, energy, or inclination to do that. In fact, I've all but decided to leave forums altogether due to my time constraints with school, work, and ministry. I barely have time to come in here anymore, much less to try to have a reasonable discussion with people who want to do little more than sling mud. But, for the gospel's sake, I beg you to read and pray to God that you can internalize I Cor 13.

Ok, I'm off again to another 16 hour day. Probably won't be back until late in the week. Blessings.

Hey, are you a woman?