The Persecution of Women in the Church

[Sister Alvear]

There is a huge difference in how women are treated depending on the area and the color of card...

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Extremes like "all men are guilty of sex crimes"

this is a pretty common theme among the establisment feminist movemnt.

what exactly is being brought into line by this kind of extreme retoric?

Balance is nice. I like balance. I just dont know what kind of balance you get from that kind of stuff.

The womens sufferage movenemtn didnt advocate men not voting, to get women the right to vote. they advocated the right of a woman to vote. they said what they meant. being extreme doesnt balance anything. it just brings a different kind of imballance.

I just can't think of your calling our current feminists extreme and their agenda as rhetoric without contrasting it and thinking of our history.


Don't you think they hailed Susan B. Anthony as an 'extremist feminist' in her day? And what kind of treatment do you think she went through on a daily basis?

A bit of History of women's suffrage...

On March 3, 1913, over 5,000 suffragists paraded in Washington, D.C....As the suffragists started down Pennsylvania Avenue, the crowd became abusive and started to close in, knocking the marchers around with hostility. With local police doing little to keep control, the cavalry was called in as 100 women were hospitalized.

Another tidbit of info...

Other territories and states granted women the right to vote in the late 19th and early 20th century, but universal women's suffrage did not come until the Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution was ratified in 1920.

From what I've been reading some women started on this journey back in the 1700's and it took almost 200 years for this to become universal in the US. It's been less than 90 years since this passed. Then there's the whole feminisit movement from the 60's and 70's. If you think about it...we're awfully new at this whole line of thinking.

I really have no idea what agenda the feminist movement is pushing for nowadays. I've never really been interested or involved. Just what exactly is the current feminists pushing for...and how long do you think it will take for them to become reality?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

I just can't think of your calling our current feminists extreme and their agenda as rhetoric without contrasting it and thinking of our history.


Don't you think they hailed Susan B. Anthony as an 'extremist feminist' in her day? And what kind of treatment do you think she went through on a daily basis?

A bit of History of women's suffrage...

On March 3, 1913, over 5,000 suffragists paraded in Washington, D.C....As the suffragists started down Pennsylvania Avenue, the crowd became abusive and started to close in, knocking the marchers around with hostility. With local police doing little to keep control, the cavalry was called in as 100 women were hospitalized.

Another tidbit of info...

Other territories and states granted women the right to vote in the late 19th and early 20th century, but universal women's suffrage did not come until the Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution was ratified in 1920.

From what I've been reading some women started on this journey back in the 1700's and it took almost 200 years for this to become universal in the US. It's been less than 90 years since this passed. Then there's the whole feminisit movement from the 60's and 70's. If you think about it...we're awfully new at this whole line of thinking.

I really have no idea what agenda the feminist movement is pushing for nowadays. I've never really been interested or involved. Just what exactly is the current feminists pushing for...and how long do you think it will take for them to become reality?

this is key. universal sufferage was seen as quite radical in its day by those that realized their power was going to be diluted by it. of course in historical context we can view movements that have sought proper treatement of women as both radical in their time and at the same time JUST.

but does that mean we identify ourselves with the modern feminist movement that at its heart seeks to eliminate any difference between men and women?

i dont have time to delve into the depths here but the goal of organizations like NOW is not simply to make sure a woman gets paid the same as a man. Nobody has a problem with that.

but complicate that with 2 people 1 man 1 woman. both in the same position. woman goes away for 3 months due to maturnity comes back and a promotion is available. only 1 can get the promotion. Now we get into modern feminist movement from a political perspective.

Can you hold the 3 months leave against the woman? or what if the woman has been talking about having a baby at work and the boss knows. the boss has a slot open at the next level and the options are 2 quailified people one man one woman. can the boss use this information to choose the man? that man isnt going to miss more than a few days if his wife has a baby. The woman on the other hand could get the promotion and in a few months, be gone for 3 months to a half a year. and the boss cant replace her.

and we arent even getting into the real nasty parts like abortion on demand to the 9th month. leveraging womens issues for political gain by one party or the other when that particular issue really has no berring. Outlawing score keeping in little league because it teaches boys to be agressive. telling boys they cant play games like cowboys and indians because it teaches violence but they can play with dolls. These things are taking place right now in our society. Men wearing a pregnancy suit so they can identify with what a woman goes thru during pregnancy.


I really can go on and on...like i said I dont have time. feminism is bad. trust me.

[Steve Epley]

Just a couple of simple questions:
1. What happens to a woman's ministry during child birth?
2. If the baby needs to nurse while the lady is preaching?
3. Would the congregation get a warning when those certain days of the month rolls around?

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Just a couple of simple questions:
1. What happens to a woman's ministry during child birth?
2. If the baby needs to nurse while the lady is preaching?
3. Would the congregation get a warning when those certain days of the month rolls around?

1. What happens to a man's ministry when his wife or children are in need?
2. If his wife or child requires attention during his preaching and no else can help?
3. Would the congregation get a warning when the man is going through a tough time at home, which is, afterall, his first obligation?

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Just a couple of simple questions:
1. What happens to a woman's ministry during child birth?
2. If the baby needs to nurse while the lady is preaching?
3. Would the congregation get a warning when those certain days of the month rolls around?

I think those are valid questions.
This is only my answer it may not work for everyone.

Brother Epley, as you know I only had one birth child the rest are adopted.

Back then we lived in a far interior city in a little house that did not even have running water...The work depended almostly solely on Brother Alvear and myself. My folks had come to Brazil and Brother Alvear and my dad had went to another one of our churches a little over an hour from when we lived.

We had at that time a radio broadcast and back then we did live programs. I cannot even remember but I doubt if we even owed a tape recorder...It was Sat. night and mother and I walked to the 6 o'clock radio program from there walked to our service since my dad and Brother Alvear had gone to another city. During service I was having contractions BUT I took care of the service in great pain. We made it home,,(very close by) and only then told mother I thought I was in labor...As soon as Brother Alvear and dad came in he took me to the little Catholic hospital...It was almost midnight on Sat...The baby had to be a c section...
I got out of the hospital and took my little prince home...
The doctor told me I should breast feed the baby but I explained to him the church needed me and it would be best for me to bottle feed him..so I did that.
Having a baby never hindered me from obeying the Lord...And when a woman has her certain days it is just a part of life...It never hindered me from doing whatever the Lord needed.
Women do not have to be pampered ...we are soldiers...
Only the laws of the old testament considered a woman unclean but no so under grace.

to be continued...

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Just a couple of simple questions:
1. What happens to a woman's ministry during child birth?
2. If the baby needs to nurse while the lady is preaching?
3. Would the congregation get a warning when those certain days of the month rolls around?

LOL! You'll need a bigger couch to duck behind!!!

And don't you think for one second that men don't have cycles as well!!! From what I've seen of life so far it's about every 3 months for you men. So don't even think you can get away with #3!!!

[Sister Alvear]

causes of uncleanness (www.Jewish Laws of Purity)


Contact with a dead body (Num. 19:11-22).
Contact with the carcasses of living creatures (Lev. 11:23-44).
Bodily discharges, including emission of semen, menstrual flow (Lev. 15) and the woman’s bleeding at childbirth (Lev. 12).
Skin diseases (Lev. 13-14).
Contact with sanctified space or objects. Those who prepared the ashes of the red heifer became ceremonially unclean as a result of their holy labor (Num. 19:1-10); the high priest was required to bathe himself with water between his various duties on the Day of Atonement (Lev. 16:4, 23-24).


Grace changed these things and many more things...

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Just a couple of simple questions:
1. What happens to a woman's ministry during child birth?
2. If the baby needs to nurse while the lady is preaching?
3. Would the congregation get a warning when those certain days of the month rolls around?

No wonder your against women preachers. Chauvinistic comes to mind. What happens to a man who has to have prostate or back surgery when he should be preaching? What happens to a man when he looses his voice and can't preach? Dear Bro. you really have no scripture to support women not taking a leadership role in minsitry.

[Sister Alvear]

Priscilla was a thorough student of the gospel of Jesus Christ. She was a fearless teacher and willing to confront even the eloquent Apollos to share with him the truths that she had learned. I have no ideal if she was nursing a baby at that time or not and have no earthly ideal if she was in those days...however she obeyed her call.