Abuse Thread

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by Chan

Why is it scary to think that a pastor's wife is involved as opposed to the wife of one of the saints in the pew? Why must she be held to a higher standard than other wives? Why is it not equally "scary" regardless of who was involved?

probably because the ministry is to be the example of what saints are supposed to be.....That is why they are in the position of leadership because God has called them to "lead" the way .....

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

probably because the ministry is to be the example of what saints are supposed to be.....That is why they are in the position of leadership because God has called them to "lead" the way .....

But the pastor's wife is not part of "the ministry" and the Bible doesn't really say that the saints in the pews are allowed to meet a lower standard (you did, after all, say the ministry was to be an example of what the saints are supposed to be).

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by Chan

But the pastor's wife is not part of "the ministry" and the Bible doesn't really say that the saints in the pews are allowed to meet a lower standard (you did, after all, say the ministry was to be an example of what the saints are supposed to be).

But they are an example.....Someone has to lead...someone has to show others how to be...It isn't that saints are allowed to meet a lower standard, but not everyone that comes into the church knows exactly what is expected, therefore they look to the leaders as their examples....and many times saints who sit on the pews have a lot to learn and they look to the leaders..... And yes there are still those who pretty much line up to the Word of God and can carry on with living for God and they are pillars in the church that reflect the leadership....As for the "pastor's wife" here that is accused of doing this stuff, I find it very immature....I wouldn't want my pastor's wife acting like that......The elders are to be teaching the younger....and most of what we learn isn't by what is told to us, but by what is seen...

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

But they are an example.....Someone has to lead...someone has to show others how to be...It isn't that saints are allowed to meet a lower standard, but not everyone that comes into the church knows exactly what is expected, therefore they look to the leaders as their examples....and many times saints who sit on the pews have a lot to learn and they look to the leaders..... And yes there are still those who pretty much line up to the Word of God and can carry on with living for God and they are pillars in the church that reflect the leadership....As for the "pastor's wife" here that is accused of doing this stuff, I find it very immature....I wouldn't want my pastor's wife acting like that......The elders are to be teaching the younger....and most of what we learn isn't by what is told to us, but by what is seen...

What happens when the elders are completely out of touch, complaining about the smut on radio theater and such?

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

But they are an example.....Someone has to lead...someone has to show others how to be...It isn't that saints are allowed to meet a lower standard, but not everyone that comes into the church knows exactly what is expected, therefore they look to the leaders as their examples....and many times saints who sit on the pews have a lot to learn and they look to the leaders..... And yes there are still those who pretty much line up to the Word of God and can carry on with living for God and they are pillars in the church that reflect the leadership....As for the "pastor's wife" here that is accused of doing this stuff, I find it very immature....I wouldn't want my pastor's wife acting like that......The elders are to be teaching the younger....and most of what we learn isn't by what is told to us, but by what is seen...

I agree that leaders are to lead and that their example is to match their leadership but there is a tendency among many saints in the pew to hold leadership to a higher standard that the saints themselves would not want to be held to. As for the "pastor's wife," she's just another saint in the pew.

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by Chan

I agree that leaders are to lead and that their example is to match their leadership but there is a tendency among many saints in the pew to hold leadership to a higher standard that the saints themselves would not want to be held to. As for the "pastor's wife," she's just another saint in the pew.

I agree..Those are usually the ones who just wanna get by but don't really sincere a closer walk with God..(referring to those who hold leadership to a higher standard)

I can see where you would say that she is just another saint, but then again....she's got a lot more weight on her shoulders than just the average lady saint......And she does teach the ladies...at least our pastors wife did...there are things that she can help ladies with that I personally don't want a man dealing with.LOL

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

I agree..Those are usually the ones who just wanna get by but don't really sincere a closer walk with God..

I disagree. I think there are plenty of godly women genuinely seeking a closer walk with God and who just happen to be married to pastors.

I can see where you would say that she is just another saint, but then again....she's got a lot more weight on her shoulders than just the average lady saint......And she does teach the ladies...at least our pastors wife did...there are things that she can help ladies with that I personally don't want a man dealing with.LOL

IF she has more weight on her shoulders, it is not because God put it there: it's because the saints in the pews put it there. She doesn't have any God-given responsibilities that other Christian wives don't have.

The Bible gives specific guidance with regard to women in the Church and that guidance has nothing to do with whether a woman is married to the pastor. It does, however, have to do with such things as age.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Chan

But the pastor's wife is not part of "the ministry" and the Bible doesn't really say that the saints in the pews are allowed to meet a lower standard (you did, after all, say the ministry was to be an example of what the saints are supposed to be).

Chan, your views of zero use of ladies in a church are well known.

Not all of us agree, and having witnessed my Godly Mother-in-law do a great job inspiring other ladies for over 25 yrs, I think there is a great need for the same in the church today.

Proverbs 31 applies.

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by Chan

I disagree. I think there are plenty of godly women genuinely seeking a closer walk with God and who just happen to be married to pastors.
IF she has more weight on her shoulders, it is not because God put it there: it's because the saints in the pews put it there. She doesn't have any God-given responsibilities that other Christian wives don't have.

The Bible gives specific guidance with regard to women in the Church and that guidance has nothing to do with whether a woman is married to the pastor. It does, however, have to do with such things as age.

I was thinking more of those who sit on the pew and just hold the ministry to a higher standard and not themselves... not just women...

And I can see that we have a different view on women in the church so I won't go there....But you are right...God didn't put that weight on her, mostly its the care and concern that goes along with having husband in the ministry. Whether a minister's wife wants to be or not, she is going to be scrutinized in all that she does...doesn't mean it's right but it's going to happen and no one can change that....

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

I was thinking more of those who sit on the pew and just hold the ministry to a higher standard and not themselves... not just women...

I thought you were referring to pastors' wives. In any event, there are also men who just sit on the pew and hold the ministry to a higher standard.

And I can see that we have a different view on women in the church so I won't go there....But you are right...God didn't put that weight on her, mostly its the care and concern that goes along with having husband in the ministry. Whether a minister's wife wants to be or not, she is going to be scrutinized in all that she does...doesn't mean it's right but it's going to happen and no one can change that....

Yes, we do have a different view: mine is the biblical one. I think it is sin the way many saints in the pew scrutinize the pastor's wife but would object to be scrutinized the same way.