Angels reproducing with humans possible?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The bible is Legend and mythology? NOT!

Angels having sex with humans is NOT Bible...

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

We aren't discussing them.

We are discussing
THESE
Jud 1:6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day--

Is the eternal chains under gloomy darkness, marrying multiple chicks and having babies with the hot chicks of Noahs days? That sounds like the Angels had HAREMS of babes...sounds gloomy! I guess the regular guys just stayed on the sidelines to watch the game.

I cant see it...LOL

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

tartaroō tar-tar-o'-o From Τάρταρος Tartaros̄ (the deepest abyss of Hades)

What is there to know? It's Hades like all the other definitions about Hell that lead to the same place.

2 Peter 2:4 Interlinear

"If indeed - God [the angels] having sinned not spared but in chains of gloomy darkness having cast [them] to the deepest abyss delivered [them] for judgment being kept.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_peter/2-4.htm

The problem is the KJV translated all these words as hell....not true

The only other appearance of English “hell” in the RSV is in 2 Pet. 2:4 where the Greek text uses a verb form of the classical name Tartarus meaning “consigning to Tartarus.” In classical thought Tartarus was the lowest part of the underworld and a place of punishment over against Elysium, the place of the blessed. Thus it was distinct from Hades, the general abode of the dead, although in popular usage the two terms may have been interchangeable. In 2 Peter the name is used of the infernal region to which the rebellious angels were consigned, and hence here signifies a place of punishment of the wicked.

Myers, A. C. (1987). The Eerdmans Bible dictionary (479). Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sean

Is the eternal chains under gloomy darkness, marrying multiple chicks and having babies with the hot chicks of Noahs days? I guess the regular guys just stayed on the sidelines to watch the game.

I cant see it...LOL

Please rephrase. I have no idea what you are asking

[Sean]

Prax, your passage never implies in any way shape or form, that these fallen angels morphed into humans...let alone make babies with the humans......

4 For if God spared not the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgment;

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sean

Angels having sex with humans is NOT Bible...

They were no longer angels
Gen 6:2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.

"Sons of God" is often used of angelic beings

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
Job 1:7 The LORD said to Satan, "From where have you come?" Satan answered the LORD and said, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it."

Job 38:7 when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Behold! I see four men loose, walking in the middle of the fire, and there is no harm among them. And the form of the fourth is like a son of the gods.
Dan 3:26 Then Nebuchadnezzar came near the door of the burning fiery furnace. He answered and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, servants of the Most High God, come forth and come here. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth from the middle of the fire.
Dan 3:27 And the satraps, the prefects, the governors, and the king's advisers gathered and saw these men on whose bodies the fire had no power (and the hair of their head was not scorched, nor were their slippers changed, nor had the smell of fire clung on them).
Dan 3:28 Nebuchadnezzar spoke and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who has sent His Angel and has delivered His servants who trusted in Him, and have changed the king's words and have given their bodies that they might not serve nor worship any god except their own God

The narrative of Genesis suggests they are distinct from men
Gen 6:1 And it happened, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and when daughters were born to them,
Gen 6:2 the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were good. And they took wives for themselves from all whom they chose.

We are told a certain set of angels fell

Jude informs us they left their previous dwelling
Jud 1:6 You also know that the angels who did not keep within their proper domain but abandoned their own place of residence, he has kept in eternal chains in utter darkness, locked up for the judgment of the great Day.

The word for "proper domain" is Arche literally meaning "beginning". These angels did not keep the way they were created from the beginning.

If you view Heaven as more than a location but a spiritual world, they did not merely leave heaven. We are told angels descend from heaven all the time in service of God. No these angels abandoned the spiritual domain...their spirit existence.

The author of Jude compares them to Sodom and Gomorra and their sexual immorality
Jud 1:7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

2Pe 2:4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but threw them into hell and locked them up in chains in utter darkness, to be kept until the judgment,
2Pe 2:5 and if he did not spare the ancient world, but did protect Noah, a herald of righteousness, along with seven others, when God brought a flood on an ungodly world,

These angels sinned! What was their sin? When did they sin?

Seems clear, Gen 6
Notice the theme is Wickedness?

Gen 6:1 When mankind began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,
Gen 6:2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful. Thus they took wives for themselves from any they chose.
Gen 6:3 So the Lord said, "My spirit will not remain in mankind indefinitely since they are mortal. They will remain for one hundred and twenty more years."
Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days (and also after this) when the sons of God were having sexual relations with the daughters of mankind, who gave birth to their children. They were the mighty heroes of old, the famous men.
Gen 6:5 But the Lord saw that the wickedness of mankind had become great on the earth. Every inclination of the thoughts of their minds was only evil all the time.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sean

Prax, your passage never implies in any way shape or form, that these fallen angels morphed into humans...let alone make babies with the humans......

4 For if God spared not the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgment;

Yes it does.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The problem is the KJV translated all these words as hell....not true

The only other appearance of English “hell” in the RSV is in 2 Pet. 2:4 where the Greek text uses a verb form of the classical name Tartarus meaning “consigning to Tartarus.” In classical thought Tartarus was the lowest part of the underworld and a place of punishment over against Elysium, the place of the blessed. Thus it was distinct from Hades, the general abode of the dead, although in popular usage the two terms may have been interchangeable. In 2 Peter the name is used of the infernal region to which the rebellious angels were consigned, and hence here signifies a place of punishment of the wicked.

Myers, A. C. (1987). The Eerdmans Bible dictionary (479). Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans.

So, you cite Eerdmans Bible Dictionary as being the "sole" authority on the term? What makes your source any more an authority than any other?

Job 26:6
Hell: Sheol - Hades or world of the dead.

Job 28:22
Destruction: abaddon - abstractly a perishing; concretely Hades
Death: maveth - death (natural or violent); concretely the dead, their place or state (hades)

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yes it does.

Where?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

No//
Num 13:25 At the end of forty days they returned from spying out the land.
Num 13:26 And they came to Moses and Aaron and to all the congregation of the people of Israel in the wilderness of Paran, at Kadesh. They brought back word to them and to all the congregation, and showed them the fruit of the land.
Num 13:27 And they told him, "We came to the land to which you sent us. It flows with milk and honey, and this is its fruit.
Num 13:28 However, the people who dwell in the land are strong, and the cities are fortified and very large. And besides, we saw the descendants of Anak there.
Num 13:29 The Amalekites dwell in the land of the Negeb. The Hittites, the Jebusites, and the Amorites dwell in the hill country. And the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and along the Jordan."
Num 13:30 But Caleb quieted the people before Moses and said, "Let us go up at once and occupy it, for we are well able to overcome it."
Num 13:31 Then the men who had gone up with him said, "We are not able to go up against the people, for they are stronger than we are."
Num 13:32 So they brought to the people of Israel a bad report of the land that they had spied out, saying, "The land, through which we have gone to spy it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people that we saw in it are of great height.
Num 13:33 And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them."

Notice in vs 27 it says "they" which refers to the Spies...all of them.

The word of which you speak does not mean "to lie". Again CONTEXT.

It means to give a bad

dibbāh: A feminine noun meaning slander, bad report, calumny. It is used of the true but negative report of the ten spies to Canaan (Num_13:32; Num_14:36-37), but it also depicts an accurate report concerning evil things (Gen_37:2). It describes a report given for an evil purpose, e.g., to defame someone (Pro_10:18), i.e., slander, which will destroy the person who spreads the story as well. It includes whispering in the sense of spreading slander against someone (Psa_31:13 [14]; Jer_20:10) but also in the sense of repeating an unfortunate truth about people behind their backs (Eze_36:3).

In fact in the next verse the two spies that gave a good report never repudiated the others version as a lie. Rather they supported it by stating essentially "With God's help we can defeat this people"

Num 14:6 And Joshua the son of Nun and Caleb the son of Jephunneh, who were among those who had spied out the land, tore their clothes
Num 14:7 and said to all the congregation of the people of Israel, "The land, which we passed through to spy it out, is an exceedingly good land.
Num 14:8 If the LORD delights in us, he will bring us into this land and give it to us, a land that flows with milk and honey.
Num 14:9 Only do not rebel against the LORD. And do not fear the people of the land, for they are bread for us. Their protection is removed from them, and the LORD is with us; do not fear them."

See? They did not say it wasn't true.

Also whoever wrote Numbers said

Num 13:22 They went up into the Negeb and came to Hebron. Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the descendants of Anak, were there. (Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.)

The NET commentary says of this phrase

21 sn These names are thought to be three clans that were in the Hebron area (see Josh 15:14; Judg 1:20). To call them descendants of Anak is usually taken to mean that they were large or tall people (2 Sam 21:18–22). They were ultimately driven out by Caleb.

Biblical Studies Press. (2006). The NET Bible First Edition Notes (Nu 13:22). Biblical Studies Press.

Who wrote Numbers? Was he lying too?

The 10 spies misrepresented God's ability to deliver the land to Israel. They lied and put fear in the people causing them to murmur against Moses and Aaron.