Stunning Sermon On The Great Tribulation

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

But this is still happening today...not here in America, but definitely a lot in China. So would this scripture not apply today then?

Persecution of christians have always happened at various places and times in history but what Jesus spoke of was specifically to them.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Persecution of christians have always happened at various places and times in history but what Jesus spoke of was specifically to them.

Well, one can argue that those scriptures was not for them alone 'cause he said you shall be hated of ALL NATIONS for my name sake.

Those listening to him then surely did not get to ALL nations...

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Well, one can argue that those scriptures was not for them alone 'cause he said you shall be hated of ALL NATIONS for my name sake.

Those listening to him then surely did not get to ALL nations...

Paul did say they preached in all the world. Just don't see how "when you see these things" and. "Delivier YOU up" can mean anything other then what Jesus was preparing his disciples for.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Paul did say they preached in all the world. Just don't see how "when you see these things" and. "Delivier YOU up" can mean anything other then what Jesus was preparing his disciples for.

And since he said this to the very same people:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened , and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken : 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn , and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other


Then in your own understanding Jesus Christ has already come. The second coming of Christ happened in the first century.

[seekerman]

Jesus began Matt 24 by speaking of a future event, the destruction of the temple.....

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

When was Matt 24:2 fulfilled?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

And since he said this to the very same people:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened , and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken : 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn , and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other


Then in your own understanding Jesus Christ has already come. The second coming of Christ happened in the first century.

It was for sure a coming.

[houston]

PRETERIST ALERT!

lol

[bbyrd009]

Ah, always wondered what "preterist" meant. Is there a recorded event that would verify verse 29, a volcano at AD 70? And what would a preterist give as the sign of the Son of man, in verse 30?

Also, verse 3 there actually begins a new subject; we are only helped to the fulfillment of verse 2 via the cryptic opening of verse 1, so to connect the fulfillment of verse 2 with the later red-letter of verse 3 onward seems suspect.

Not disagreeing, as "This generation shall not pass" seems pretty clear there.

[houston]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Ah, always wondered what "preterist" meant. Is there a recorded event that would verify verse 29, a volcano at AD 70? And what would a preterist give as the sign of the Son of man, in verse 30?

Also, verse 3 there actually begins a new subject; we are only helped to the fulfillment of verse 2 via the cryptic opening of verse 1, so to connect the fulfillment of verse 2 with the later red-letter of verse 3 onward seems suspect.

Not disagreeing, as "This generation shall not pass" seems pretty clear there.

The temple was destroyed. No one will deal with that.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by houston

The temple was destroyed. No one will deal with that.

Exactly!