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Old 07-11-2010, 09:00 AM
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And did he have a belly button?
I'm thinkin'...no.
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Old 07-11-2010, 09:42 AM
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I'm thinkin'...no.
Then he didn't have the appearance of age. He had the appearance of a new creation
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Old 07-11-2010, 09:51 AM
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He did demonstrate these things. This is without a doubt. But we have no idea if these things occurred the day after creation or 20 years after creation.
I disagree. From the flow of the narrative in ch. 2, there's nothing to suggest a gap between the time God formed Adam (vs. 7) and the time God placed him in the Garden to dress and keep it (vs. 8, 15). From what we do know, God formed Adam and immediately began interacting with him on an adult or- at the very least- adolescent level.

If this be the case- and I believe it is- then we observe a curious phenomenon with the first man Adam. Just for fun, let's say we could somehow go back in time, snatch Adam from the Garden temporarily, and transport him back to our time. Let's also say we took him to a medical facility, and had him examined: a full physical examination. Other than being found to not have a belly button, I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination to say our team of doctors would come back with test results showing that our subject (Adam) was a healthy, fit young adult- say somewhere around 20 years old. Imagine their surprise when we told them "no, actually, he's only one day old!" "That's not possible", I could hear them say, "he is obviously a post-pubescent human male approx. 20 years of age: fully comparable in development to most other 20-year-old human males on the planet."

I'm sure you see my point. At one day old, Adam would have been developmentally equivalent to a 20-year-old male, because that's how God formed him: not as a newborn, but as an adult.

God said: "For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else." (Isa 45:18)

I believe we are meant to take this verse at face value. When God formed the earth, he formed it to be inhabited at it's formation. When God formed the creatures, he didn't create eggs and larvae, but the creatures themselves- fully developed. When he created Adam, he didn't create a newborn, but a man who was a fully-developed man. And likewise, I believe, when he created the earth, he created an earth sufficiently developed and geologically/atmospherically stable enough to support life at the time of its creation. Developmentally, it may appear to be much older than it is, but just like Adam, it was not.

Although God delineates the process involved in the creation of the earth, there is nothing to suggest that this process took a long period of time, just as there is nothing to suggest Adam's creation- though a process- took a long period of time. When Adam was created, he was formed of the dust of the earth, but he didn't become animated as a living soul until God breathed into him the breath of life. Simply because there was a process involved in Adam's creation does not automatically mean we must interpret this process to have occurred over a long span of time. God delineates the process for us in Scripture, but does not say it took millions of years, etc.

And so it was with the earth. Yes, it was a process: perhaps it was not ready for life until the completion of Day Four. But there's no internal Scriptural evidence to suggest this process took more than four literal days.
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Old 07-11-2010, 09:52 AM
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Then he didn't have the appearance of age. He had the appearance of a new creation
Hello jfrog,

see my post above.
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Old 07-11-2010, 10:04 AM
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DaveC519,

I will believe the evidence that God has given us. The evidence he has given us regarding the age of the earth is vast. He has given us radioactive dating methods that show the earth is much much older than 10000 years. He has given us fossils of extinct creatures that never seem to appear in rocks that are dated young. He has given us the knowledge that light travels at 3.00 * 10^8 m/s. He has given us the knowledge about the sizes and brightnesses of stars. We can see by their apparent sizes and brightnesses that they are so far away that the light from them could not have traveled here in 10000 years.

You see, all the evidence points to an earth much older than 10000 years. If God made the earth only 10000 years ago then he went to great lengths to make it appear much much older. I can only think that if he went to such great lengths to make the earth appear old that an old earth is what he wants me to believe in.
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Where is Pel, when we need him?? LOL
Probably thinking there's no point in trying.
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Old 07-11-2010, 12:07 PM
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Re: How Old is the Earth?

A few years ago, I was at a meeting and a minister stood up to teach a lesson and he began with a question.

He asked:
"WHAT WAS THE FIRST THING GOD EVER CREATED?"


He paused for a moment before continuing.

During that moment, (and it's amazing how fast the brain can think) I thought to myself, well,
that's a ridicules question, no one would know the answer to that.


Then I heard a voice, an inner voice, which I knew wasn't from myself, and it so perfectly
answered the question.
I knew it was the RIGHT answer, and the ONLY answer to that question.

What I heard was, "THERE NEVER WAS A FIRST THING."


The speaker never answered his question, he didn't even try.
But what really agonized me was, it took great self-control on my part from not jumping up and waving
my arms, yelling, "I know the answer! I know the answer!"


Last year while teaching 'Royal Rangers', kids 8-9 years old,
we were talking about the creation,
and I asked them this same question, "What was the first thing God ever created.?"

Then after some room discussion, I told them the answer
that I had received.
When I did:

One little boy, literally fell off his chair, and laid on the floor, staring at me for many moments,
then like in a stupor, he finally got up and said, "THEN THAT MEANS GOD HAS ALWAYS BEEN."

I have found that when divine revelation comes like that, it seems as though its the most important,
clearest, and profound knowledge and understanding we have for the moment.


If Bible-believing churches did like the Bible says, and let two or three speak, and if
another one has a word from the Lord, if I would have been made to feel comfortable to do so,
so that the pastor would sit down and let a person say what the Lord was speaking to him…………...
then....... but, it doesn't work that way does it?

But I did get to say it, and to a congregation who had ears to hear! (the 8 year olds.)



Many folks think that our universe is all that God... who had existed for eternity before... had done nothing....virtually nothing, until He created our universe and earth 6000 yrs ago.
That... takes a huge mountain of faith to believe that.

No matter how big you want to make our universe...there is more area outside it... then inside of it.
Up, down, left, right, in front of and behind it.


I believe that God has always been creating....and will forever and ever be always creating. I believe that there are millions of universes besides ours...all with unique creatures assigned unto it.

Even the Bible speaks of other unique creations of Seriphans and Cherubims...we know practically nothing of them... when, how, who are they?
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Old 07-11-2010, 03:25 PM
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*sigh*

I'm finished with this thread. So many assumptions and presumptions... so little time.

Y'all have a good time now... ya hear?
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Old 07-11-2010, 03:40 PM
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*sigh*

I'm finished with this thread. So many assumptions and presumptions... so little time.

Y'all have a good time now... ya hear?
It gets frustrating but then I think how there are millions of people who went to their grave firmly believing that the Sun revolved around the Earth instead of vice versa. Why? "Because the bible says so! And if you don't believe that then you might as well throw the whole book away!". I am sure that given that ultimatium more then a few of these early scientists DID "throw the whole book away" seeing as how Christianity of that day was telling them to believe something contrary to what they were directly observing.
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Dr. Al Mohler's argues for a young earth theologically.

http://www.christianity.com/ligonier/?speaker=mohler2
How old is the earth? As old as dirt
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