How To Go To Hell: An Observation of Cons and Libs - Page 9

#81 04-13-2007, 12:58 PM

Is this thread yet another argument about whether or not appearance means anything?

OGIA · #82 04-13-2007, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Now attendance numbers are valid .... indicators ... hmm.

Sheesh. Don't people ever read the post that the poster they are criticizing responded to??

Nahum · #83 04-13-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I have been around a lot more conservatives than you, I daresay, and the extreme you describe is very, very rare. In no way is it widespread.

I am your elder, so I guess its okay for me to disagree with you.

I grew up in that brand of conservatism. I was a good kid who lived in mortal fear for my soul every day. My pastor beat things into our heads that I have never fully recovered from.

I have a large and widespread history with this stuff. You deceive yourself when you say this is minimal. It is not. Look at all the stories on AFF alone. It is a plague.

OGIA · #84 04-13-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I just (20mins ago) had a lady stop in to the church who has been coming with her husband who almost committed suicide a little more than a year ago. She told me that she was NOW ready for water baptism. I have not been hard nosed on water baptism or used the old "You better get to the altar today because you might not live tomorrow" routine that is so prevailant today. I have simply sowed the seed and loved people unconditionally. These folks who are getting baptized are doing so NOT because of emotion or guilt. They are making a conscious decision and committment. I have seen God do miracles for these folks and the folks I baptized a week ago as well.

Many would consider me a liberal compromiser. That doesn't bother me in the least. I am seeing poeple's lives changed and observing them develop a relationship with Jesus Christ!!!! There is nothing better than that. No, they don't LOOK like some think they should, but they love the Lord and are finding a life that they didn't think was possible. I RARELY mention things about clothing etc. Give me a group of people who love the Lord vs a group of people who boast of outward holiness any day.

MOW, are you saying that others unlike you are not seeing these things happen? Are you saying that UCs (or even your average ol' con) don't love unconditionally and force baptism on people?

I'm sure that's not what you're saying, but it is insinuated, even if subconsciously.

SDG · #85 04-13-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OGIA

Sheesh. Don't people ever read the post that the poster they are criticizing responded to??

Some of us read sequentially ...

#86 04-13-2007, 01:06 PM

somehow, for some reason, I do not consider AFF to be a "representative cross section of Oneness Pentecostal life"....

lol

Coonskinner · #87 04-13-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I am your elder, so I guess its okay for me to disagree with you.

I grew up in that brand of conservatism. I was a good kid who lived in mortal fear for my soul every day. My pastor beat things into our heads that I have never fully recovered from.

I have a large and widespread history with this stuff. You deceive yourself when you say this is minimal. It is not. Look at all the stories on AFF alone. It is a plague.

AFF is by no means a good, representative cross section of the Apostolic movement.

I would say more if it wouldn't be offensive.

If the pastor you often speak so highly of did this to you, I confess it does create a dilemma in my understanding.

And yes, Elder, you are welcome to disagree with me.

We may be talking past each other here, or just disagree fundamentally on what the definition of "this stuff" is.