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Old 04-08-2010, 10:28 PM
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Re: Was Matt.28:19 Tampered With ?

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Most Catholic, Protestant and secular encyclopedias question the validity of the Trinitarian method of baptism and the original manuscripts.

Also, what more internal evidence do you need other than the fact that no one was ever baptised in the NT using the Trinitarian formula. That speaks volumes in itself!




I sincerely believe Matthew 28:19 was tampered with.


I also believe that wherever "sin abounds, Grace does much more abound."
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I sincerely believe Matthew 28:19 was tampered with.


I also believe that wherever "sin abounds, Grace does much more abound."

So you believe we have a faulty, flawed bible?
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Old 04-08-2010, 11:45 PM
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So you believe we have a faulty, flawed bible?

Loaded question.

How do you define "faulty" and "flawed"?

I don't think the red letter versions of the Bible state EXACTLY what Jesus said because He did not speak English on Earth for his every day language.


I think it is very possible, highly likely, that someone thought they were making the Word of God more plain by tampering with that one scripture, similar to the verse in 1 John.

Similar to how some people add, "to be saved" when quoting Acts 2:37.



I think that we have the Word of God in the exact form that He knew we would have.




The Bible is the inerrant Word of God, 100% infallible.


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Loaded question.

How do you define "faulty" and "flawed"?

I don't think the red letter versions of the Bible state EXACTLY what Jesus said because He did not speak English on Earth for his every day language.


I think it is very possible, highly likely, that someone thought they were making the Word of God more plain by tampering with that one scripture, similar to the verse in 1 John.

Similar to how some people add, "to be saved" when quoting Acts 2:37.



I think that we have the Word of God in the exact form that He knew we would have.




The Bible is the inerrant Word of God, 100% infallible.


The ice is very thin where I'm standing-- I know.

The definition of "Faulty" and "flawed"? Uhhhh......."Tampered with"?

You've made two statements. They are:

1) "I sincerely believe Matthew 28:19 was tampered with."
2) "The Bible is the inerrant Word of God, 100% infallible."


These two completely opposite can't be equally true. Impossible, isn't it?
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Re: Was Matt.28:19 Tampered With ?

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The definition of "Faulty" and "flawed"? Uhhhh......."Tampered with"?

You've made two statements. They are:

1) "I sincerely believe Matthew 28:19 was tampered with."
2) "The Bible is the inerrant Word of God, 100% infallible."


These two completely opposite can't be equally true. Impossible, isn't it?
You have found an apparent contradiction in Jermyn's post!
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http://jesus-messiah.com/html/evr-last-gosp.htm

I clicked on the link, went to the home page, and clicked the top link, where I noticed this:


Home of Acts 2:38 Church, Tampa Angels, Jesus House Women/Children Shelter, Apostolic Theological Bible College, Soul Patrol, and headquarters of Jesus Messieh Fellowship International (JMFI) (Light To The Nations).

http://jesushousetampa.com/

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You have found an apparent contradiction in Jermyn's post!

So maybe Jermyn was tampered with?
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Arnold's insistence that the book be sold as a straight history and not the work of fiction that it was had nothing to do with it?

I was either sell "Pentecost Before Azusa Street" as straight History, or sell the Bible as a lie by saying that the gates of Hell prevailed against the church and stomped it out untill Azusa Street.
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So maybe Jermyn was tampered with?
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Re: Was Matt.28:19 Tampered With ?

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I was either sell "Pentecost Before Azusa Street" as straight History, or sell the Bible as a lie by saying that the gates of Hell prevailed against the church and stomped it out untill Azusa Street.
I personally do not believe the church was "stomped out" until Azusa Street.
I believe "The Church" has existed since those first disciples left John to follow Jesus in John 1:35-51.
I also believe "The Church" is not defined by the UPC Manual.
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