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Old 06-24-2008, 07:51 PM
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i dont circlate garbage, obama ia first class socialist, enough said, his policies and statements bear this out, end of story, dt
Now that's fair. DT, you at least has some sense of propriety, though you disagree with Obama politically. I find that respectable.
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:04 PM
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For the record, I have been sent this email and instead of forwarding, I replied and explained that most of it was either junk or unimportant.

the reasons for not voting for Obama can be found on Obama's website.

dude is a first class socialist who in his own words wants to repeat Herbert Hoovers perscription for our economy, wants to repeat the mistakes of JFK that led to the Cuban Missle crisis and wants to repeat the same mistakes with oil companies that Jimmy "I cant get my own party to agree with me" Carter did in relation to high oil prices.

Obama has in his own words articulated a plan to sit down with our enemies and invade our allies, raise the cost of a gallon of gas (windfall profit tax) in order to lower the cost of gas, protect Americans from terrorism by reducing investment in the armed services, and expand the size of government by 1.4 trillion dollars.

THESE are the very spicific reasons NOT to vote for Barak Obama. I dont care if his daddy is a goat hearder or a mass murderer.
I see Obama's economic plan much like a New Deal for our generation.

As for windfall profit tax, it's tough talk but wont happen.

Obama supports talking with enemies to let them know specifically where America stands and how it would be in their best interests to cooperate with the US.

Actually Obama will better fund the military by not over expanding our forces in stupid wars of choice.

If an ally (Pakistan) is harboring Ben Laden and will not cooperate with bringing him to justice, we will still go after him. I don't care if Ben Laden shows his face in London England...if they don't cooperate with bringing him to justice...bomb London to kill him.

Actually, the increase in government spending will be significantly offset by getting out of Iraq and turning it over to the Iraqi provisional government.

Hey....you know, instead of building everyone else's government Obama wants to invest in our own. lol
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:06 PM
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LOL....... Hey, I should jump over to the political posts instead of the doctrinal more often. Much more emotional here

Yes, go to each candidate's website to get their view on the issues.... I'm sure all the info presented will be completely frank and unbiased ROFL

I find it fascinating Obama is in favor of killing a fully born child after a failed abortion attempt. That's just cold....
Can you provide sources for that?
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:08 PM
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I think many of you guys know that I'm not an Obama fan by any means... just one glance at the picture in signature will tell you that.

That being said, I must say I find the original post on this thread to be repugnant and disgusting. Yes, there's some truth in there, but there are also some flat-out lies and distortions mixed in there too (not to mention unverifiable assertions which may also be false for all we know).

Fact is, the internet has become a cesspool of all kinds of inaccurate and/or blatantly false garbage, and I feel people need to be careful about the stuff they pull out of the dumpster known as the worldwide web... even more so when they are going to post it on a Christian forum.

...just my 2 cents.
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:25 PM
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Jesus Christ purchased freedom for all mankind. However, some very brave service men also gave all to preserve this freedom.



And did you serve? I did.
I'm not Cindy but I'll comment on the bold part.
What does this have to do with her post?

BTW All the men in Cindy's family served PROUDLY in every branch of the military VOLUNTARILY. Many paid a high price to keep our nation FREE!
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I see Obama's economic plan much like a New Deal for our generation.

As for windfall profit tax, it's tough talk but wont happen.

Obama supports talking with enemies to let them know specifically where America stands and how it would be in their best interests to cooperate with the US.

Actually Obama will better fund the military by not over expanding our forces in stupid wars of choice.

If an ally (Pakistan) is harboring Ben Laden and will not cooperate with bringing him to justice, we will still go after him. I don't care if Ben Laden shows his face in London England...if they don't cooperate with bringing him to justice...bomb London to kill him.

Actually, the increase in government spending will be significantly offset by getting out of Iraq and turning it over to the Iraqi provisional government.

Hey....you know, instead of building everyone else's government Obama wants to invest in our own. lol
more like the raw deal

but i get it. you seem to have an affinity for communism....which is odd for a guy that claims to be a republican.
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:11 PM
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Obama's not the only one re-creating himself....let's look at McCain's self reinvention:

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwell’s debate coach.)

* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.

* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.

* McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and won’t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* And now he’s both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade.

you forgot the one major point FOR McCain. He isnt the commie Barak Obama.

McCain aint my ideal candidate... that guy is dead.... but McCain isnt the agent of change to the failed policy of the past....simply put, McCain isnt Barak Obama.
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Old 06-24-2008, 10:27 PM
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Can you provide sources for that?
Search for Obama and the "Born Alive Infant Protection Act" to see several sources. The following is one from www.townhall.com by Terrence Jeffrey:
Obama is the Most Pro-Abortion Candidate Ever
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Barack Obama is the most pro-abortion presidential candidate ever.

He is so pro-abortion he refused as an Illinois state senator to support legislation to protect babies who survived late-term abortions because he did not want to concede -- as he explained in a cold-blooded speech on the Illinois Senate floor -- that these babies, fully outside their mothers' wombs, with their hearts beating and lungs heaving, were in fact "persons."

"Persons," of course, are guaranteed equal protection of the law under the 14th Amendment.

In 2004, U.S. Senate-candidate Obama mischaracterized his opposition to this legislation. Now, as a presidential frontrunner, he should be held accountable for what he actually said and did about the Born Alive Infants Bill.

State and federal versions of this bill became an issue earlier this decade because of "induced labor abortion." This is usually performed on a baby with Down's Syndrome or another problem discovered on the cusp of viability. A doctor medicates the mother to cause premature labor. Babies surviving labor are left untreated to die.

Jill Stanek, who was a nurse at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Ill., testified in the U.S. Congress in 2000 and 2001 about how "induced labor abortions" were handled at her hospital.

"One night," she said in testimony entered into the Congressional Record, "a nursing co-worker was taking an aborted Down's Syndrome baby who was born alive to our Soiled Utility Room because his parents did not want to hold him, and she did not have the time to hold him. I couldn't bear the thought of this suffering child lying alone in a Soiled Utility Room, so I cradled and rocked him for the 45 minutes that he lived."

In 2001, Illinois state Sen. Patrick O'Malley introduced three bills to help such babies. One required a second physician to be present at the abortion to determine if a surviving baby was viable. Another gave the parents or a public guardian the right to sue to protect the baby's rights. A third, almost identical to the federal Born Alive Infant Protection Act President Bush signed in 2002, simply said a "homo sapiens" wholly emerged from his mother with a "beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord or definite movement of voluntary muscles" should be treated as a "'person,' 'human being,' 'child' and 'individual.'"

Stanek testified about these bills in the Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, where Obama served. She told me this week he was "unfazed" by her story of holding the baby who survived an induced labor abortion.

On the Illinois Senate floor, Obama was the only senator to speak against the baby-protecting bills. He voted "present" on each, effectively the same as a "no."

"Number one," said Obama, explaining his reluctance to protect born infants, "whenever we define a pre-viable fetus as a person that is protected by the Equal Protection Clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a -- a child, a 9-month old -- child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it -- it would essentially bar abortions, because the Equal Protection Clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute."

That June, the U.S. Senate voted 98-0 in favor of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act (although it failed to become law that year). Pro-abortion Democrats supported it because this language was added: "Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive as defined in this section."

Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer explained that with this language the "amendment certainly does not attack Roe v. Wade."

On July 18, 2002, Democratic Sen. Harry Reid called for the bill to be approved by unanimous consent. It was.

That same year, the Illinois version of the bill came up again. Obama voted "no."

In 2003, Democrats took control of the Illinois Senate. Obama became chairman of the Health and Human Services committee. The Born Alive Infant bill, now sponsored by Sen. Richard Winkel, was referred to this committee. Winkel also sponsored an amendment to make the Illinois bill identical to the federal law, adding -- word for word -- the language Barbara Boxer said protected Roe v. Wade. Obama still held the bill hostage in his committee, never calling a vote so it could be sent to the full senate.

A year later, when Republican U.S. senate candidate Alan Keyes challenged Obama in a debate for his opposition to the Born Alive Infant Bill, Obama said: "At the federal level there was a similar bill that passed because it had an amendment saying this does not encroach on Roe v. Wade. I would have voted for that bill."

In fact, Obama had personally killed exactly that bill.
Just another cut and paste lie from the web, huh, Rico????
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Adino, that is just awefull.

anyone who would vote for that guy is just... well I dont know.

Barak Obama is sick. As a father of two beautiful boys who were born premature and needed help just to make the first few days of life, I am disgusted that this beast of a homo sapiens or what ever he is would rather protect abortions than an actual human being who was actually suffering AND DYING FROM LACK OF CARE.

disgusting and barbaric and just might be the next president. wow.
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I'm not Cindy but I'll comment on the bold part.
What does this have to do with her post?

BTW All the men in Cindy's family served PROUDLY in every branch of the military VOLUNTARILY. Many paid a high price to keep our nation FREE!
My point is that I served and was willing to pay that price.
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