Concerning Tulsa, could sombody please answer this

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Of course the WPF wants you to send money along to them. Even to the point of using part of your tithing to pay membership.

That is a first.

They want to make sure you do not have any extra out of pocket.

Just do not give it the other God when you tithe give it to the WPF God.

Becasue we live more like the real God.

God will only be winking our way.....

Bro. Neckstadt. I enjoy many of your postings, got to disagree with you here though. The tithing thing is not a WPF created thing by any means. The UPCI has been doing this for many years. If you are a full-time minister in the UPCI in most districts you are required to pay tithes to the district.

As for the rest of your post on this subject I respect your attempt at sarcasm/satire lol.

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by NLYP

However......the AWCF nor the NCO will get the money that I give the UPCI.
You a part of the sanhiedran of 50...so I understand your defense.
I DO KNOW that the General Board is meeting on Feb 25th and this will be discussed. Dual membership will not be an option is my understanding.

Originally Posted by NLYP

Are you for TV Advertising??

Nor should the WPF

First NLYP I am not a member of the Sanheidron as you suppose in fact I am not even a member of WPF yet. (the key operative word YET) I just feel that all assessments must be fair and balanced.

As for your second question, the answer is without reservation NO. This has nothing to do with whether or not TV is innately evil, but has to do with much research that I have personally done on the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of TV advertising/broadcasting. We can all talk about local cable access, however, "most" of the local cable access "church" programing is not the image/spirit of Pentecost we want portrayed to the world. (And will unfortunately probably be what is seen the most.)

The reality is that the mainstream denominations have already been down this path, and they for the most part have completely discontinued TV advertising, (think about the last time you saw an add for a local church....very rare indeed according to statistics) because it doesn't provide a reasonable return. (I know if one soul is won........but lets face it there have been many things that we have tried and ceased to do that won 1,2, or even 3 souls but we didn't feel that the effort, time, or money spent, exemplified wise stewardship.)

A friend of mine had a TV broadcast on a national network that cost him $2000.00 per 30 minutes of airtime not including the production costs etc. about $3000.00 per week, I don't know many churches that can afford to spend that kind of money. There are too many other things that are much more effective. Incidentally, his broadcast after one year had not brought on person to his church, he also has a broadcast on the local TV station and has for 7-8 years with not one convert as a result. From his internet live streaming, however, he has had 40-50 new converts, and many more around the country/world.

[Wink]

Originally Posted by bishoph

Nor should the WPF

First NLYP I am not a member of the Sanheidron as you suppose in fact I am not even a member of WPF yet. (the key operative word YET) I just feel that all assessments must be fair and balanced.

As for your second question, the answer is without reservation NO. This has nothing to do with whether or not TV is innately evil, but has to do with much research that I have personally done on the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of TV advertising/broadcasting. We can all talk about local cable access, however, "most" of the local cable access "church" programing is not the image/spirit of Pentecost we want portrayed to the world. (And will unfortunately probably be what is seen the most.)

The reality is that the mainstream denominations have already been down this path, and they for the most part have completely discontinued TV advertising, (think about the last time you saw an add for a local church....very rare indeed according to statistics) because it doesn't provide a reasonable return. (I know if one soul is won........but lets face it there have been many things that we have tried and ceased to do that won 1,2, or even 3 souls but we didn't feel that the effort, time, or money spent, exemplified wise stewardship.)

A friend of mine had a TV broadcast on a national network that cost him $2000.00 per 30 minutes of airtime not including the production costs etc. about $3000.00 per week, I don't know many churches that can afford to spend that kind of money. There are too many other things that are much more effective. Incidentally, his broadcast after one year had not brought on person to his church, he also has a broadcast on the local TV station and has for 7-8 years with not one convert as a result. From his internet live streaming, however, he has had 40-50 new converts, and many more around the country/world.

and the sad part is that you can lose more thru the internet than TV. tv chats dont really seem to escalate into affairs.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Wink

and the sad part is that you can lose more thru the internet than TV. tv chats dont really seem to escalate into affairs.

wow......I mean WOW! Did he say it? Did he really say it? Hmmmmm......

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

wow......I mean WOW! Did he say it? Did he really say it? Hmmmmm......

Yep, he did.

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by bishoph

Nor should the WPF

First NLYP I am not a member of the Sanheidron as you suppose in fact I am not even a member of WPF yet. (the key operative word YET) I just feel that all assessments must be fair and balanced.

As for your second question, the answer is without reservation NO. This has nothing to do with whether or not TV is innately evil, but has to do with much research that I have personally done on the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of TV advertising/broadcasting. We can all talk about local cable access, however, "most" of the local cable access "church" programing is not the image/spirit of Pentecost we want portrayed to the world. (And will unfortunately probably be what is seen the most.)

The reality is that the mainstream denominations have already been down this path, and they for the most part have completely discontinued TV advertising, (think about the last time you saw an add for a local church....very rare indeed according to statistics) because it doesn't provide a reasonable return. (I know if one soul is won........but lets face it there have been many things that we have tried and ceased to do that won 1,2, or even 3 souls but we didn't feel that the effort, time, or money spent, exemplified wise stewardship.)

A friend of mine had a TV broadcast on a national network that cost him $2000.00 per 30 minutes of airtime not including the production costs etc. about $3000.00 per week, I don't know many churches that can afford to spend that kind of money. There are too many other things that are much more effective. Incidentally, his broadcast after one year had not brought on person to his church, he also has a broadcast on the local TV station and has for 7-8 years with not one convert as a result. From his internet live streaming, however, he has had 40-50 new converts, and many more around the country/world.

Well....let me share with you the other side of it....
Our former Pastor, before we moved here has been on tv for over a year and a half. He sits behind his desk and teaches search for truth for 30 minutes 3 times a week on our local cable station. He is a HIGH Holiness preacher. Our church went from 200 to 500 in less then 3 years. He changed NOTHING about him or what he preached....BUT used the best way possible to reach the masses. On the visitor card it says...did you find out about us through tv?

91% said yes.

They have a 72% retention rate.....ALL THROUGH search for truth...but instead of 1 family at a time in a living room..its hundreds of households at a time.

OH by the way thats at a cost of 150.00 per 30 minute spot.

My funeral home is on a 30 sec spot 5 times per day....we are on cnn, fox news, lifetime and the discovery channel.....
We paid 5500.00 to produce the spot and we pay 7.00 per day.....ie 210.00 per month....
in 2006 this funeral home did 32 funerals...Ive been here 6 months and have done 46....sooooo

Cant argue the facts man...you just can do it.

Kinda like the baptist saying the Holy Ghost isnt real, you cant argue with what Ive experienced.

Here is the UPC webiste..... www.hopupc.org
Its called the what and where of the Bible.

Later.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by NLYP

Well....let me share with you the other side of it....
Our former Pastor, before we moved here has been on tv for over a year and a half. He sits behind his desk and teaches search for truth for 30 minutes 3 times a week on our local cable station. He is a HIGH Holiness preacher. Our church went from 200 to 500 in less then 3 years. He changed NOTHING about him or what he preached....BUT used the best way possible to reach the masses. On the visitor card it says...did you find out about us through tv?

91% said yes.

They have a 72% retention rate.....ALL THROUGH search for truth...but instead of 1 family at a time in a living room..its hundreds of households at a time.

OH by the way thats at a cost of 150.00 per 30 minute spot.

My funeral home is on a 30 sec spot 5 times per day....we are on cnn, fox news, lifetime and the discovery channel.....
We paid 5500.00 to produce the spot and we pay 7.00 per day.....ie 210.00 per month....
in 2006 this funeral home did 32 funerals...Ive been here 6 months and have done 46....sooooo

Cant argue the facts man...you just can do it.

Kinda like the baptist saying the Holy Ghost isnt real, you cant argue with what Ive experienced.

Here is the UPC webiste..... www.hopupc.org
Its called the what and where of the Bible.

Later.

That's what I call a knock-out punch!

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

That's what I call a knock-out punch!

Sad part is...they will find some way to refute it...They will say Im a compromiser....that I water down my embalming fluids.......that I cut corners on my mouth glue....that I dont put on underwear....that I used too much make up!!!!

[jrLA]

Originally Posted by NLYP

Sad part is...they will find some way to refute it...They will say Im a compromiser....that I water down my embalming fluids.......that I cut corners on my mouth glue....that I dont put on underwear....that I used too much make up!!!!

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Wink

and the sad part is that you can lose more thru the internet than TV. tv chats dont really seem to escalate into affairs.

They just let you sin and lust in secret.