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01-22-2008, 10:21 AM
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Rebel with a cause.
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Well it does happen from both ends of the spectrum not just from this angle.
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Very true, and in both cases, the members have the option of walking out. Thank God it's still a free country.
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01-22-2008, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeinAR
I'm not too familiar with the bylaws and the means of authority set up in a UPC church. Can a pastor sidestep the Board of the local church and even a vote of the membership to take these kind of drastic, sudden, complete 180(what's right today is different than what was right last week) measures? Now, if he has the majority of the board and congregation with him, I can see the minority finding a more comfortable place to worship.
If it's simply Bro. SoandSo's new "conviction" not based on explicit scriptural doctrine and without the ok of his congregation, he probably should go ahead and start packing, IMO.
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Mike some churches are ran like dictatorships. They don't believe in boards
I know some are going to get mad at me for saying that. I don't mean all conservative churches, but some are. The pastor is viewed as Royalty.
I know some liberal churches that are this way too so i'm not broadsweeping
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01-22-2008, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by rgcraig
How can this be right?
I have a friend that I heard from recently that their pastor has decided to make some CHANGES that before haven't been an issue. He's decided that wearing wedding rings and watches are wrong. You can't sing in the choir this Sunday because you wear a wedding ring (last Sunday it was okay).
Saints have TV's in their homes and now he's asking them to throw them out so that Hollywood doesn't influence their homes.
Well, guess what - - they find out their pastor is going to Tulsa.
Where does this leave the church? Just because the pastor decides he wants to go this route, does that automatically mean the whole church has to now abide by HIS NEW convictions?
It's dividing the church. Young people that are being used will no longer be used if they don't abide by the new rules. It's NOT their convictions!!!!! How many people will give up because none of this makes sense to them?
Why lord, why?
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Sound like a man who got a backbone and decided to stand up for the truth.
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01-22-2008, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted
Sound like a man who got a backbone and decided to stand up for the truth.
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Lol, truth?
Why wasn't he preaching it before, if it was truth? And, if it's truth, why doesn't he preach it as heaven or hell, not just "you can't sing in the choir if you do it".
No, sounds to me like a man who wants to fit into a new group, and he knows that the bulk of this group doesn't believe in rings and TV.
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01-22-2008, 10:27 AM
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My Family!
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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted
Sound like a man who got a backbone and decided to stand up for the truth.
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Oh my lord.............. 
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01-22-2008, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Could it be the Lord is leading this pastor? I remember back some time ago when the shoe was on the other foot in another church you folks were praising the pastor for getting out of bondage and leading his church out?
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SO true
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01-22-2008, 10:28 AM
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DOING THE FIRST WORKS
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Well, I am the guilty one. I haven't FELT the hurt and burden until now.
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That is why I started the thread a few weeks agon, "I've seen it all before...now again."
The hurt among many are going to be unimaginable now, but when they get deep into this horrible morass, it is going to be more than some are able to bear up under. Souls are going to be lost. All for NO REASON AT ALL. The devil is deceiving ordinarily good men.
Why can't these men open their eyes to understand that FELLOWSHIP is in the SPIRIT and is not in a political creation birthed by a charter granted to them by the STATE OF OKLAHOMA or even that of the State of Missiouri? Why is it that the eyes of ordinarily good, well meaning men's eyes are so glazed over with the devil's illusions that they can't see that fellowship is a communion of spirits rather than in the heat of political idealism.
There are men who are very ultra-con that I deal love and enjoy their fellowship but there are others that ultra-con whose spirits stink to the high heavens so much so that I can't even bear to be near them. I simply move away to others of the spirit that I can commune with. On the other hand, there are men of the liberal persuasion whse spirit I detest. I simply move away to find another, whether they be liberal, moderate or UC, whose spirit I can commune with.
Fellowship, ladies and gentlemen, IS NOT dividing up families, breaking up churches, ploughing new fallow ground of polical partisanship. Fellowship is with Jesus Christ and his beloved church for whom he suffered, bled and died.
Shame! Shame! Shame! But, I've seen it all before...
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01-22-2008, 10:30 AM
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My Family!
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Originally Posted by Apprehended
Fellowship, ladies and gentlemen, IS NOT dividing up families, breaking up churches, ploughing new fallow ground of polical partisanship. Fellowship is with Jesus Christ and his beloved church for whom he suffered, bled and died.
Shame! Shame! Shame! But, I've seen it all before...
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App,
I'm seeing it now and it's wrong.
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01-22-2008, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by StMark
Mike some churches are ran like dictatorships. They don't believe in boards
I know some are going to get mad at me for saying that. I don't mean all conservative churches, but some are. The pastor is viewed as Royalty.
I know some liberal churches that are this way too so i'm not broadsweeping
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I know of many AG churches who have a rubber stamp board and can become dictatorship like. They usually run their course in a matter of a few years and end up preaching to empty seats.
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01-22-2008, 10:47 AM
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I have two words:
GNAT - CAMEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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