Is it ODD or is it just me?

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Brother,

I won't bother to argue with you whether his alleged actions violate his AS. It has been pretty well proven that there is a lot of latitude offered when it comes to the interpretation of that particular document.

And as for a lib calling preachers and inviting them to leave and join a lib organization...

Any preacher who would leave and join one like that would be welcome to go.

I don't view the UPC like some of you people seem to.

It is an orgaization,for goodness sake, not the Kingdom of God.

You're right, there is a lot of latitude offered. It's almost as though the AS is more of a suggestion than a true set of guidelines or regulations meant for licensing. If they place one under question for either television or actively campaigning against the organization while licensed by the organization, then they would need to place everyone under question who violated it.

I see how it is . . . you want all the libs to leave! LoL But wouldn't that end up like the AMF?

[Bullwinkle]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I do NOT believe the officials ever thought the fall out would be this big and dramatic?

I talked to an Southern preacher today who told me Elder Craft is actively calling preachers who are out from under his ministry requesting them to leave. Two preachers out from under him told this friend of mine personally this week.

The elder has just bottomed out in my estimation.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Well why did you not clarify this in the first place that you left out This!

the final tally will be after January.



The airstrip I departed from in Nevada in 1983 has now been declassified. They have destroyed the terminal building and they now have move to new facilities. Take note two weeks ago, if I had your number I would have called you when I again was through DIA.

I posted here from DIA on the 10th.

My meaning was plain. We are all in the dark about the future. You were just stubbornly defensive of your imaginary friends who you imagined were slighted by my comment.

You were sitting in that big tent out by Kansas back on the 10th? My sympathies.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

You're right, there is a lot of latitude offered. It's almost as though the AS is more of a suggestion than a true set of guidelines or regulations meant for licensing. If they place one under question for either television or actively campaigning against the organization while licensed by the organization, then they would need to place everyone under question who violated it.

I see how it is . . . you want all the libs to leave! LoL But wouldn't that end up like the AMF?

No, I don't have any particular desire to see all the libs leave.

I said they would be welcome if that's what they want to do.

The point is that I don't think we have any business telling pastors what organization they have to stay in. Conservative or liberal.

I feel the same way when saints want to move on. It may hurt to see them go, but you are foolish if you try to hold on to folks that don't want to be there.

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

No, I don't have any particular desire to see all the libs leave.

I said they would be welcome if that's what they want to do.

The point is that I don't think we have any business telling pastors what organization they have to stay in. Conservative or liberal.

I feel the same way when saints want to move on. It may hurt to see them go, but you are foolish if you try to hold on to folks that don't want to be there.

That is an incredible statement coming from a pastor! From experience, I've seen pastors hold on to saints and it creates alot of frustration and problems for both saint and pastor, not to mention the church!

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

No, I don't have any particular desire to see all the libs leave.

I said they would be welcome if that's what they want to do.

The point is that I don't think we have any business telling pastors what organization they have to stay in. Conservative or liberal.

I feel the same way when saints want to move on. It may hurt to see them go, but you are foolish if you try to hold on to folks that don't want to be there.

Uh oh, I'm agreeing with you twice in a row now . . .

I definitely agree that we don't have any business telling ministers what organization they ~have~ to stay in.

A part we may disagree on, though, is I also don't believe it's right to actively solicit the departure of other ministers who may not want to leave .... if the alleged were true.

On the saints, I point to LifeChurch.tv's Pastor who once not only invited saints who were discontent with LC, or who weren't willing to become involved in the church to leave - but he also said he gave them information on several churches nearby that he recommended. Several hundred left, but then were replaced with either new converts or others that became more involved and active in the church more so than those who left.

I do agree, no one should dictate where anyone should or shouldn't stay/go.

[freeatlast]

[B][QUOTE=Coonskinner;[/B]315439]No, I don't have any particular desire to see all the libs leave.

I said they would be welcome if that's what they want to do.

The point is that I don't think we have any business telling pastors what organization they have to stay in. Conservative or liberal.

I feel the same way when saints want to move on. It may hurt to see them go, but you are foolish if you try to hold on to folks that don't want to be there.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I have not seen such great faith, no not in all Isreal.

After spending years in a church that would'nt let anyone move onto ministry or out state for jobs when the recesion of the 80's hit us, You statement is refreshing to hear from a pastor.

I was actually told by my pastor, when I told him I wanted to take a leave of absence from my job and go to a local secular college. He said that he could'nt do without my tithe and that I should not go.

I really needed some education too. the fact that I listened to this man for 20 years would prove that.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Bullwinkle

The elder has just bottomed out in my estimation.

That's a very harsh statement to make without knowing all of the facts.

I think you should backtrack Mr. Moose.