Uncut Hair

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

The part of Corinthians 11 that is up for debate to me is, should a woman wear a veil? The part about a woman not shaving or shearing (cutting) her hair is clear. Whether or not it is salvation issue is for God to decide. I would not want to allow things in my life that is contrary to the word of God.

A salvation issue, seriously?

Ww think its heinous and repulsive to the highest heaven that ISIS chops off peoples heads and burns them alive......

But then some of y'all believe God will punish a lady who trimmed her hair in her lifetime in hellfire without a moment of relief for not thousands, nor millions, or billions, or trillions of years, but all eternity.

Yah I'm pretty sure its not a salvation issue (nor even a sin), if we read the same Bible.

Of course the people who are most adamant about this (eg Steve Epley) not only won't allow a man to have a beard, but willfully disobey and ignore the plain command NOT to shave. And don't even come back at me and say "that's under the law" when the exact same people use Duet 22:5 as their go to proof text second only to Acts 2:38.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

A salvation issue, seriously?

Ww think its heinous and repulsive to the highest heaven that ISIS chops off peoples heads and burns them alive......

But then some of y'all believe God will punish a lady who trimmed her hair in her lifetime in hellfire without a moment of relief for not thousands, nor millions, or billions, or trillions of years, but all eternity.

Yah I'm pretty sure its not a salvation issue (nor even a sin), if we read the same Bible.

Of course the people who are most adamant about this (eg Steve Epley) not only won't allow a man to have a beard, but willfully disobey and ignore the plain command NOT to shave. And don't even come back at me and say "that's under the law" when the exact same people use Duet 22:5 as their go to proof text second only to Acts 2:38.

What is these 16 verses in the Bible for? I personally believe it is not God that sends anyone to hell anyway. Instead, God makes a way of escape. He is trying to keep us from hell. I never said this is a salvation issue. If you interpret a scripture to forbid something as wrong and you deliberately disobey it becomes an act of rebellion.

No matter how big or small the crime rebellion is wrong. I understand that this scripture is subject to interpretation and I am not condemning anyone for their different view. Why don't don't you shed a little light on the verse about your interpretation of it?

[jfrog]

I don't know about uncut hair or veils from 1 Corinthians 11 but it is clear that long hair on a woman is a good thing and that short hair on a man is a good thing.

14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

Hair is not a sin issue. It's a shame vs. glory issue.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Hair is the not the covering he was referring to when praying, it was an actual covering.

Yes but later on Paul says her hair is for a covering

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by allstate1

Like I posted in another thread, same book same writer, a few chapters earlier. 1 Corinthians 7:8 but no one makes a doctrine out of that!

Because it's not a command but a request

1Co 7:6 But I say this as a concession, not as a command.
1Co 7:7 I wish all people could be like myself, but each one has his own gift from God, one in this way and another in that way.
1Co 7:8 Now I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain as I am.
1Co 7:9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with sexual desire.
1Co 7:10 To the married I command—not I, but the Lord—a wife must not separate from her husband.
1Co 7:11 But if indeed she does separate, she must remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.

[Praxeas]

wearing veils was a local custom. Greek pagan women often wore veils

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veil

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

What is these 16 verses in the Bible for? I personally believe it is not God that sends anyone to hell anyway. Instead, God makes a way of escape. He is trying to keep us from hell. I never said this is a salvation issue. If you interpret a scripture to forbid something as wrong and you deliberately disobey it becomes an act of rebellion.

No matter how big or small the crime rebellion is wrong. I understand that this scripture is subject to interpretation and I am not condemning anyone for their different view. Why don't don't you shed a little light on the verse about your interpretation of it?

Hermeneutics

Most of us don't bother. When reading the bible our goal should be to try to understand what was being written would have meant to them back then.

To help do that we need to read the context

Understand it grammatically and in context

Understand who wrote it, to whom, when and why

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

wearing veils was a local custom. Greek pagan women often wore veils

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veil

Paul taught that Christian women ought to be covered when praying, and cited no local custom for support, only Biblical reasons, and one supporting argument from nature. He affirmed this was the position of all the churches of God.

Sorry, I don't have a Wikipedia source for these claims.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I don't know about uncut hair or veils from 1 Corinthians 11 but it is clear that long hair on a woman is a good thing and that short hair on a man is a good thing.

14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

Hair is not a sin issue. It's a shame vs. glory issue.

It is a shame issue? A shame to who the woman or the woman's head? For a woman to cut her hair she dishonor's her head(husband and God). If you dishonor God is it sin. This has so much to do with the roles of male and female that God has ordained. the word for "long hair" in the greek means to let it grow; to trim is not to let it grow.

If God tells us for women to have long hair and men to have short hair should we look for the minimums. How long or how short? Instead of walking the line wouldn't we want to live at the highest possible standard.

1 Cor 11 is not culture, but an ordinance. The reason women want to cut there hair today is culture. the reason ladies today wear pants is because of culture. Paul commanded long hair on a woman and short hair on a man not because of the culture, but because it was to be an ordinance for us to follow. No doubt, to give honor to the gender distinctions that God has ordained.

[good samaritan]

Talmadge French does a good job teaching uncut hair on you tube. there are 14 parts to watch.