SG: Ultra con darling?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by TrmptPraise

Undoubtedly, the reality exists. No argument from that standpoint. However, we could argue that in relevance to any organization or religous movement.

I do not believe Dan (I hope not, anyway) was making a blanket statement that all "holiness" preachers are somehow rampant immoral vagabonds, but the posts in which I quoted (the original and the one where he stated his apparent reasoning behind the thread) were disingenuous.
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I can't speak for DA2 - but my general impression is that his mind probably wandered a million miles between the two posts you cited and that he never intended to link the two thoughts together.

If needed - SG is a great guy. I worked with him for a couple of years and always found him to be of the highest ethical standing. He's one of the gems "in there" - fighting a good fight.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Who was the woman, Pel?

I think you can go back and review the Homegoing service. There was a link to an archived video.

Just scan the crowd. Did you notice any (sometime) AFF posters in the crowd?

It never ceases to amaze me how closely all of us are "related" here. We've all probably been in the same room with one another at one time or another over the years. We were just "faces in a crowd" - until we started having it out online together. LOL.

[tv1a]

I remember ducking bullets when I said I wouldn't take any new converts 100 miles within a campmeeting. You get more preaching from the manual than you do from the Bible.

[Sister Alvear]

wow...

[Sister Alvear]

May I speak once again? Please note I only looked over what was said from when I quit posting. It would seem to me that someone is trying to hint that UC`s have deep rooted sexual sins. I do not think you can put sins like that in any category. Among all people of all classes sins occur... My pastor preached and preaches a strong outward dress standard. Never one time in all my life have I ever seen him disrespectful to anyone much less the opposite sex.
However outward dress standards do not purify the heart....I stood before a group of completely naked Indians and did not feel a spirit of lust as much as I have felt around some preachers in my life...BUT that does not mean that naked Indians do not lust and long sleeve men do lust...lol...
I dress the way I do for the Bible says to dress modest. For me modest dress is what I wear...
Personally I do not appreciate people that come to my church to preach standards…that is my husband´s job for he is the pastor. Where there is a crowd of several hundred or thousands from different areas it stands to reason there will be a difference in standards.

And in NO WAY am I saying anything against Brother Graham. We probably believe alike. So this is not concerning him in any way while I am posting. I wish names would NOT be called. I think we can voice standpoints of view without naming people.
While some of us stand and sing, will there be any stars in my crown another group is singing, No, not one….lol
I personally would be considered a 3 stepper….however I am not stabbing someone that might not be…MY greatest personal experience was traveling with someone that really believes far different than I do…yet that person´s ministry has been a tremendous impact on my life. We learn from each other and that does not mean we have to compromise what we believe. When we get the feeling we know it all then grave danger awaits us….God wants us to walk humbly before Him…


someone that believes like I do stuck a knife in my back...some one that believes the opposite of what I do blessed me...does that mean that everyone that believes like I do stick knifes in other people´s backs and someone just the opposite blesses? No of course not....

That means we are all just people....

[GraceAmazing]

Originally Posted by Barb

But is camp meeting the time and place for this?

IMHO, no...

Well, really, I don't have an opinion on that...well yes, I do...I left the UPC. I did not like it when all I ever heard about were standards. BUT...standards and outward holiness is what the UPC believes and what this individual lives and preaches. I will defend the fact that if this is what this organization believes, then they have a right to preach it. What venues they choose might be up for debate just because there might be some new converts sitting there going, huh? But again, I will defend his right to preach what he feels led to preach...and I guess I will defend his right to preach that wherever he feels led to preach it...

I just wish this thread wasn't about a someone in particular. God help us if we are going to start saying what and where something can be preached...seriously...

[mama bear]

Don't you think the state of Michigan that invited the speaker to be there, already knew what was going to be taught??

[Sam]

Originally Posted by pelathais

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So many times I've gone to a camp meeting or conference seeking some sort of real uplift only to have to sit and listen to a harangue from some "holiness" preacher who would be leaving the fellowship with his secretary at the end of the year any way.
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Quite a few years ago I took a day of vacation and drove to our ALJC Ohio District Camp. I planned on spending the day and hearing some Bible teaching and then some preaching. I was there in plenty of time for the morning Bible Study. It was a real disappointment. The pastor who taught spent the hour pontificating and haranguing about television. Like I said in a a previous post in the Camp Meeting thread, it took about 5 minutes to cover what he had to say and the other 55 minutes was just repetition of the same stuff. I was licensed with the ALJC for several years. I had (still have) a television. My pastor had a television. Television was not an issue in many of our ALJC churches. To me it was a waste of time to sit there and listen to this guy scold the members of all these churches who were living in compliance with their pastors' teachings. In my opinion, he was out of order and out of place.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I can't speak for DA2 - but my general impression is that his mind probably wandered a million miles between the two posts you cited and that he never intended to link the two thoughts together.

If needed - Scott Graham is a great guy. I worked with him for a couple of years and always found him to be of the highest ethical standing. He's one of the gems "in there" - fighting a good fight.

Two separate posts. Thanks Trumpet for weighing in, however, and causing your own little stir by conspiratorially linking them to some nefarious plot.

Your dad, TP, is a holiness preacher with integrity .... I could down a list .... let's be intellectually honest.

SG is a great guy .... the only time we spoke it was about baseball ....
He showed his affinity and love the Cards and "hate" for my beloved Yankees.

I find it interesting that the cons on the masonic forums have chosen him as a poster boy for their cause .... although reverently sounding off and policing websites and facebook pages is what the do best when not playing golf

See Chester Wright's letter to former Bishop Haney.

[TrmptPraise]

Originally Posted by DAII

Two separate posts. Thanks Trumpet for weighing in, however, and causing your own little stir by conspiratorially linking them to some nefarious plot.

Your dad, TP, is a holiness preacher with integrity .... I could down a list .... let's be intellectually honest.

SG is a great guy .... the only time we spoke it was about baseball ....
He showed his affinity and love the Cards and "hate" for my beloved Yankees.

I find it interesting that the cons on the masonic forums have chosen him as a poster boy for their cause.

Did not know I wasn't being intellectually dishonest. Still am not sure why your point had to be made with the SG reference...we have been talking here about camp meetings and their expectations for the last week.

As I pointed out, I did not think you were making the comparison...
I suppose I am one of the cons, but again not sure about poster boy comment either. He has been regular speaker a camps and conferences neither needing the influence or endorsement of a forum. Nor is he needed to confirm others belief systems.