Was it necessary to repeal DADT?

[MrMasterMind]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I agree, and most here agree with this statement to this point.
Ignorance. Nothing personal MMM, but I'm so beaten down with "christians" defending this abomination that I don't even see the benefit in expounding.

Then you lack true understanding of the first part friend.

He was not accused of being a sinner because He told them they had to clean up their act before He could be seen with them.

Attending a wedding an abomination? That is just sad on so many levels.

[Apprehended]

Ten years ago, I said that a major "oneness" Pentecostal organization will be debating on conference floor as to whether or not to license homosexuals to the ministry.

We are well on our way to this end. Further along the way that I would have guessed by now.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I agree, and most here agree with this statement to this point.
Ignorance. Nothing personal MMM, but I'm so beaten down with "christians" defending this abomination that I don't even see the benefit in expounding.

After having you call me a "Militant liberal", say that I'm promoting sins of all kinds, or something to that effect, and a host of other slams, I'm pretty beaten down myself. I don't think you're so tired from being beaten down as much as you are from swinging your stick.

And you do it here again. Your rhetoric is hurtful, mean-spirited, and WAY too strong. You call Mr. Mastermind's opinion and "abomination." You're really WAY out of bounds, Jason, and some introspection and reflection would do you some good.

I know, I know, you're not going to listen to this right now in the heat of the moment. But I'm hoping you'll consider it later on. You're headed down the wrong road, and I'm not speaking of your opinions, but you're angry, accusatory rhetoric. It's not right. You're starting to sound like Benincasa.

[MrMasterMind]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Ten years ago, I said that a major "oneness" Pentecostal organization will be debating on conference floor as to whether or not to license homosexuals to the ministry.

We are well on our way to this end. Further along the way that I would have guessed by now.

I guess you have not taken the time to read the whole thread like I just did and was unable to find a single post advocating a homosexual lifestyle period from anyone.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Here's Warren Weirsbe:

Ephesians 5:12 gives us a caution. Be careful how you deal with the "unfruitful works of darkness." The motto today seems to be, "Tell it like it is!" And yet that can be a dangerous policy when it comes to exposing the filthy things of the darkness, lest we unconsciously advertise and promote sin. Some preachers enjoy reveling in the sensational, so much so that their sermons excite appetites and give to the innocent more information than they need."

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I'm pretty sure WW doesn't approve of pastors attending homosexual weddings. Furthermore the context of what hes saying seems to apply to those preachers who tell of what sinners they used to be that they embellish and end up glorifying their sin.

And what more advertisement can there be for sin that presenting gifts for a sinful act?

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Oh really? Have you talked to him? I have.

And then your next point.....good heavens, I'm tired of arguing with you and tired of the religious beatdown you're giving me.

"ANY theology that minimizes God's holiness and TOLERATES people's deliberate sinfulness is a false theology."

Really though, the Word of God says it so much better:

Jeremiah 8:8 How do ye say , We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain. 9 The wise men are ashamed , they are dismayed and taken : lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them? 10 Therefore will I give their wives unto others, and their fields to them that shall inherit them: for every one from the least even unto the greatest is given to covetousness, from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. 11 For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly , saying , Peace, peace; when there is no peace. 12 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed , neither could they blush : therefore shall they fall among them that fall : in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down , saith the LORD.

Talk about healing the wound slightly. Giving someone a conscience band-aid when they chop their arm off will do little good. The only remedy cure for sin is to rightly diagnosis it, and take the drastic measures that are called for. Namely a calling to repentance, not a celebratory gift.

[MrMasterMind]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

After having you call me a "Militant liberal", say that I'm promoting sins of all kinds, or something to that effect, and a host of other slams, I'm pretty beaten down myself. I don't think you're so tired from being beaten down as much as you are from swinging your stick.

And you do it here again. Your rhetoric is hurtful, mean-spirited, and WAY too strong. You call Mr. Mastermind's opinion and "abomination." You're really WAY out of bounds, Jason, and some introspection and reflection would do you some good.

I know, I know, you're not going to listen to this right now in the heat of the moment. But I'm hoping you'll consider it later on. You're headed down the wrong road, and I'm not speaking of your opinions, but you're angry, accusatory rhetoric. It's not right. You're starting to sound like Benincasa.

Smitty I didn't read that he thought my opinion was an abomination, he apparently just thinks condemnation and hitting people over the head with the Bible is the best way to witness.

As far as accusing him of being Benincasa, who is being hurtful and mean spirited now young man. :-)

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

After having you call me a "Militant liberal", say that I'm promoting sins of all kinds, or something to that effect, and a host of other slams, I'm pretty beaten down myself. I don't think you're so tired from being beaten down as much as you are from swinging your stick.

And you do it here again. Your rhetoric is hurtful, mean-spirited, and WAY too strong. You call Mr. Mastermind's opinion and "abomination." You're really WAY out of bounds, Jason, and some introspection and reflection would do you some good.

I know, I know, you're not going to listen to this right now in the heat of the moment. But I'm hoping you'll consider it later on. You're headed down the wrong road, and I'm not speaking of your opinions, but you're angry, accusatory rhetoric. It's not right. You're starting to sound like Benincasa.

I didn't call his view point an abomination, I was referring to the homosexual wedding he alluded to in this post, and yes, it is an abomination. The more I think of it, the more suprised and appaled I am that a pastor (any pastor) attended AND brought a gift.

[Mr. Smith]

[QUOTE=Jason Badejo;1006123]"ANY theology that minimizes God's holiness and TOLERATES people's deliberate sinfulness is a false theology."




So now you're saying I'm in "False theology"? You're just too ugly with this, Jason.


When asked to officiate a wedding between two people of the same gender, I refused saying that I could not violate my conscience and my understanding of the bible.

What part of that are you not able to process?????

[MrMasterMind]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

"ANY theology that minimizes God's holiness and TOLERATES people's deliberate sinfulness is a false theology."

Really though, the Word of God says it so much better:

Jeremiah 8:8 How do ye say , We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain. 9 The wise men are ashamed , they are dismayed and taken : lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them? 10 Therefore will I give their wives unto others, and their fields to them that shall inherit them: for every one from the least even unto the greatest is given to covetousness, from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. 11 For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly , saying , Peace, peace; when there is no peace. 12 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed , neither could they blush : therefore shall they fall among them that fall : in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down , saith the LORD.

Talk about healing the wound slightly. Giving someone a conscience band-aid when they chop their arm off will do little good. The only remedy cure for sin is to rightly diagnosis it, and take the drastic measures that are called for. Namely a calling to repentance, not a celebratory gift.

There you go adding to the Bible again, those aren't red letter verses in my Bible.

But since you are reading the Good Book, please show me the scriptures where Jesus used that approach to sinners. Oh that's right, you already agreed He did not.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

I guess you have not taken the time to read the whole thread like I just did and was unable to find a single post advocating a homosexual lifestyle period from anyone.

Honestly no, I didn't.

Nevertheless, it seems that some do not understand what is meant by the term "partakers of their sin."