The Blood...

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The same can be said about other uses of eis ... furthermore your interpretation would need to harmonize w/ the rest of scripture and it does not ... especially your reading of Romans 6.

Show me an example where the same terms used in two phrases mean opposite things.

Romans 6 is also far beyond what many understand.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Who said ba;ptism is a sacrament? Folks, the false sects of the Church have made it a sacrament. The early church did not use it as such. Something real and actual happens when we are baptized, with faith. There is an operation of the Spirit not made with hands. Is anyone reading my points?

Baptism involves a level of understanding that cannot be lowered to that of a sacrament. It has depth. Col 2:11-12 shows this. It is compared to circumcision. Abraham was circumcised, although made righteous beforehand. But would God have accepted Abraham without having been circumcised? What would uncircimcision have shown God in Abraham's life?

These are the points my pastor made yesterday re circumcision and faith...

The discussion here has been most interesting...

[mfblume]

Baptism, when relegated to a mere sacrament, becomes discarded in time. Christ's baptism, and insistency with John about it, and Peter's "command" for Cornelius to be baptized, shows us it is far beyond a mere sacrament. The early church mentioned it and mentioned it. But had it been a mere sacrament, it would have been abandoned in the early church just as it has in many circles today.