A Glorious Church?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

I believe the minister said this-- but it is so blatantly obvious that he is speaking with sarcasm AND speaking about his wife. As far as he is defending President Trump, if he's posting on his personal FB page, is that a place where the minister can be human? He has the right to defend President Trump if that is what he wants to do.

When is it ok for the minister to be human?

The guy is trying to equate Donald Trump's abuse of women to the innocent play he obviously has with his wife, though he clearly admires other women (which he admits).

I think the way he said it was a bit tasteless.

So, you believe this is what the man said, but see it as innocent. Others are essentially calling me a liar. LOL

But you're right. He said it.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Your discernment is off.

I posted what he said because when I try to explain what I've encountered, and my thoughts about it, people tend to say, "No way. That's not true." Consider that I had EB tell me I was lying about Christina's niece and her disabled child who desperately needs health insurance. So, it forces me to give some degree of evidence. So, I quoted the man. I'm not wanting to slander him. So, I've provided a screen print of that portion of the conversation. Especially since, again, no one believes me. However, I've covered up the names of the people involved.

I tried to send this in PM, but it wouldn't let me attach it.

I hope this is enough to validate to you and all the doubting haters out there that the conversation actually took place.

You'll note that the beginning of my response is cut off at the bottom. And you can note that nothing was "exaggerated for effect".

First, the attachment is too small to read.
Second, you said you would PM the name of the alleged UPCI minister; yet you've blacked out his name.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Others are essentially calling me a liar. LOL

As I have stated, I do not know a seasoned Apostolic minister of 30+ years who would publicly post what you allege this man posted.

Now, I could very well be wrong. And if I am, I will apologize.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

First, the attachment is too small to read.
Second, you said you would PM the name of the alleged UPCI minister; yet you've blacked out his name.

My after thought was that I don't want to be accused of slandering the man. My point was about the degeneration of personal standards based on political hero worship, but you guys are twisting this into an inquisition against me.

Why are you guys entirely blinded from my point??? It's almost spooky.

Instead of even considering the point of the post, I'm put in a hard spot of having to tolerate the accusation of being a liar, vs. slandering a man.

But that's how you guys roll.

Why not comment on the reality of how pet political hero worship can and does indeed cause so many to lower standards?

Is it that... your own hero worship might be confronted to some degree? If so, that's okay. Mine is confronted with this behavior too. It's not a right issue... it's both left and right. But I'm trying to help us become conscious of it. That's all.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

First, the attachment is too small to read.
Second, you said you would PM the name of the alleged UPCI minister; yet you've blacked out his name.

I'm not sure how to make it larger. But it's all there. Maybe someone with better eyes than ours can make it out. lol

Maybe I can work on it Monday.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

My after thought was that I don't want to be accused of slandering the man. My point was about the degeneration of personal standards based on political hero worship, but you guys are twisting this into an inquisition against me.

How is it slander if you're showing what he posted? Slander is a false accusation. The tiny photo you attached is very pixelated, but I can somewhat make out what's being said.

As far as your point, you've posted that this is a "vulgar" man who used "vulgar" words. Don't be upset at what the discussion has become. You made an outrageous claim, made a promise to send a name via PM, then sat on it for days before now apparently reneging on your earlier pledge.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Instead of even considering the point of the post, I'm put in a hard spot of having to tolerate the accusation of being a liar, vs. slandering a man.

Seriously? Look, you could have cleared this up days ago, but for some reason let it play out. The only reason this is where it's at is because you let it go without any response for the past few days.

I'll be the first to admit, I'm a skeptic. And when someone makes a claim, then offers to provide proof, but doesn't, and then today makes some posts but doesn't respond to the PM or other posts from this morning ... it makes it appear the person is trying to avoid the issue and may not be telling the truth.

I'm still skeptical that this is a current Apostolic minister.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Why not comment on the reality of how pet political hero worship can and does indeed cause so many to lower standards?

Because you made it about the "UPCI" minister who was "vulgar" and used "vulgar" words.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

Because you made it about the "UPCI" minister who was "vulgar" and used "vulgar" words.

Chris, get it together man.

Listen, that dripping all over your face?

That's called EGG.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Maybe I can work on it Monday.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'm put in a hard spot of having to tolerate the accusation of being a liar, vs. slandering a man.

How is that anyone's fault but your own?

"I'm put in a hard spot" --- posts the guy who put himself in the hard spot!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Consider that I had EB tell me I was lying about Christina's niece and her disabled child who desperately needs health insurance.

Really?

Prove it.