Brother Ken Raggio 4 Global Minds

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Sean

DB pleas the cartoon defense...LOL

Sean, looks who talking with the cartoon avatar..

Hypocrite.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Sean

The Spirit filled bride is found in Rev 5, in heaven already....


8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

A more likely translation as found in the NIV and other versions including the footnote in the New King James.


Rev 5:7-10

7He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. 8And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. 9And they sang a new song, saying:

“You are worthy to take the scroll

and to open its seals,

because you were slain,

and with your blood you purchased for God

persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.

10You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,

and they will reign on the earth.”

So no the bride is not in Heaven until the end time saints go through the wrath of the beast.

[Michael The Disciple]

Sean,

What does this mean TO YOU?

Let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed the son of perdition. 2 Thess 2:3

Consider the part in bold. Think about what it meant to the 1st century Thessalonian Church.

You are doing exactly what Paul warned them about. Please let Paul's words sink in.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Sean

Rev 10 does not say last trump.

It does not even infer to a catching away as per 1 Thes 4.

How you can say "Rev 10 does not say last trump'?
Look how it is:
7 but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, whenever he is about to sound [his] trumpet, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets
Look it also in interlinear to understand the original text:
salpizein
σαλπίζειν ,
to sound [the] trumpet
Greek verb σαλπίζω salpizo (sal-piy'-zō) to trumpet, i.e. sound a blast.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Sean,

What does this mean TO YOU?

Let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed the son of perdition. 2 Thess 2:3

Consider the part in bold. Think about what it meant to the 1st century Thessalonian Church.

You are doing exactly what Paul warned them about. Please let Paul's words sink in.

Amen.

[peter83]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Listen to the whole thing.

Hi! how are you? I love this preacher!
I thought you are preterist! Are you or what?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by peter83

Hi! how are you? I love this preacher!
I thought you are preterist! Are you or what?

You thought right my brother.

Yet, Pre Tribulation rapture is no where in the scripture. Post Tribulationist is at least seeing some Book. While the Pre Tribber is not at all.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You thought right my brother.

Yet, Pre Tribulation rapture is no where in the scripture. Post Tribulationist is at least seeing some Book. While the Pre Tribber is not at all.

[Sean]

I am totally cool if you guys want Jesus your Savior to inflict His wrath on you. Maybe some think they deserve to suffer the fate of Rev 7 and 8 etc.

Your poor kids must be depressed to thing their Savior is coming to kill them though.

A Savior is supposed to save not kill.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

I am totally cool if you guys want Jesus your Savior to inflict His wrath on you. Maybe some think they deserve to suffer the fate of Rev 7 and 8 etc.

Your poor kids must be depressed to thing their Savior is coming to kill them though.

A Savior is supposed to save not kill.

You probably never read about Noah or Moses.



Not that surprises me about you.