Is suicide a sin? - Page 8

Aquila · #71 04-09-2015, 10:05 AM

I see them as damaged and hurting people. Not murderers. The motivation for murder is entirely different.

Sean · #72 04-09-2015, 10:07 AM

Again, no matter what we have gone through, as Christians, our little world must be REPLACED by Jesus' BIG world to leave our past behind!

Sean · #73 04-09-2015, 10:08 AM

Depressed, Spirit filled Christians MUST refocus their world views!

Sean · #74 04-09-2015, 10:09 AM

Paul, the MURDERER of Christians had to!

Sean · #75 04-09-2015, 10:10 AM

Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.....

Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,....

Paul figured it out!

Sean · #76 04-09-2015, 10:53 AM

Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.(depressed?)

Sean · #77 04-09-2015, 10:54 AM

Shall we be in a state of contentment or a state of depression?

shazeep · #78 04-09-2015, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I don't see it that way. Most are hurting and tragically wounded souls.

yes, who are completely stuck in the Cult of Me, just like most everyone else. After several years of counseling suicides, i'll tell you what the best counseling one can do for them seems to be--the most effective--which is to take the focus off of them, where they want it, and blandly assume that they are being genuine in their desire to die, and suggest means/offer aid in their planning.

i have not met one yet that does not rebel at this treatment--although i have heard they exist--thus revealing their duplicity, even to themselves. They are relying on your codependence for pity. period. i'm not saying that there are not genuinely suicidal people out there, but they do not talk about it; they just do it. Same MO tho, do not be deceived. They are engulfed in the Cult of Me, and will ultimately succumb to their Master's orders--death--unless they stop the navel gazing.

One volunteer mission to a burn ward or something generally has profound effects. When they refuse to go--anywhere--understand why.

shazeep · #79 04-09-2015, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Most clinical depression is caused by changes in the brain. It is as physiological as brain damage, but on a bio-chemical level. Same with the brains of those who suffer from PTSD. I used to think it was all in their head, emotional, or related to perspective. It's far more than that.

I will grant the possibility, but i doubt it. "Change your mind" means that it is within your power to do so. I suspect most "mental illness" is a form of Cult of Me.

shazeep · #80 04-09-2015, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jediwill83

There is, obviously, a blind spot in a depressed/suicidal person, that can seem insurmountable. Everyone has "let them down," quite often, when they seem irreproachable, in their own eyes.

With respect I believe you are painting with a very broad brush with this statement. I didnt believe people had let me down...I saw the problem one that was my fault and mine alone. I wasnt good enough...smart enough...spiritual enough...thin enough*I suffer with some really bad weight problems* I wasnt blaming others in the least. Every critical statement I took to heart and believed. I just wasnt good enough. I was a screwup and deserved everything I got. I felt misunderstood...I felt as if I caused offense without meaning to and I worked hard to never offend. I let a desire to be liked and accepted and not be seen as contentious overwhelm any assertiveness and self confidence.

Blaming others and not recognizing ones own fault may come from a desperation or even narcissism.

All that being said...we are all different with different triggers and causes and we cant put everyone int the same box...it takes some honesty and self examination and alot of times a good neutral trained professional to get true perspective and move towards a healthy mind.Sometimes that can only be achieved with medication unless God intervenes.

well put. i'm sure there are more than one variation, but i note that even in your version, the codependency is overwhelming. You were not good enough to others. "Misunderstood" by others. Etc.

i'm curious what form your help in this area took? What helped the most, in hindsight?