Heaven Without Sex?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Great. Then stop. And if you don't think you are, then think through your statements a little better before you post them.

Your closing?? I never said a darn thing about the content of what anyone has said to me about you.

Not necessary. You shared enough when you stated this:

"I've had several PM me asking me what your problem is. I'll post the PM's if you like, complete with date and time, along with their opinions of you and why you're doing it."

This is an old tactic used against those who don't show tolerance and refuse to acquiesce to homosexuals.

I am not greatly disturbed by this at all, and I expect it actually. No big deal.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Not necessary. You shared enough when you stated this:

"I've had several PM me asking me what your problem is. I'll post the PM's if you like, complete with date and time, along with their opinions of you and why you're doing it."

This is an old tactic used against those who don't show tolerance and refuse to acquiesce to homosexuals.

I am not greatly disturbed by this at all, and I expect it actually. No big deal.

Fine, whatever, turn it back on me if you like. I said my piece, I meant it, and I'm sick of it. I don't give a hoot if you think I'm gay or not, but the game gets silly. And like I said, I gave no hint whatsoever at what anyone has said about you so you're surmising all of that and that one's on you. This whole thing is kinda dumb.

[Sherri]

This is one of the dumber threads I've seen in a while.

[Aquila]

Here's what I believe....

I believe we will have glorified bodies in Heaven's New Jerusalem on the New Earth, ruled by the never fading majesty of creation's King, Jesus Christ. I believe there will be worship, prayer, praise, family, love, cities, nations, cultures, trades, farms, music, food, arts, sports, dancing, laughter, exploring, hiking, nature, vast heavenly shores, sandy beaches, holy science, sacred learning, swimming in cool crystal clear waters, ....awe inspiring snow covered mountains. All in a redeemed creation. Some will be given roles of leadership in the earth's government as kings, others will be given leadership in the church as priests forever, others will find their callings in other ministries forever. Many who have felt the call of God on their lives here, but who have never been able to fulfill that call will realize their calling in eternity as we serve the Lord forever. I believe the eternal Heaven will be full of every enjoyment intended for man from the begining. Sin and Satan will have won nothing. We will experience a never ending Heavenly Renaissance.

All things will be redeemed. I get so excited just thinking about it.

Numbers 14:21
But as truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD.

Isaiah 11:9-10
9They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
10And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Isaiah 65:17-25
17For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
24And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Habakkuk 2:14
For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Revelation 21:1-27
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
9And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
16And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
17And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolyte; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
22And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
24And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. 27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Revelation 22:1-2
1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

What will eternity be like in Heaven's New Jerusalem? One word...GLORIOUS.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by sandie

Mark 12:24-25
24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Jesus states that people will not arrange marriage nor will individuals be given in marriage. The point is marriages are arranged or imposed in Heaven. Jesus really tells us very little as to details regarding relationships in the New Heavens and the New Earth. Most scholars lean towards there not being any physical intimacy in Heaven. Some see a remote possibility. We'll have to find out when we get there.

[Aquila]

Sadly, people do lack both imagination and personal conviction. The Scriptures tell us MANY things about eternity. Sadly, most of us simply believe the idea that eternity will be one massive choir performance for all eternity.

[Aquila]

Some scholars point out that the prophet Isaiah states something very interesting regarding the New Heavens and the New Earth....

Isaiah 65:17-25
17For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
24And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Some scholars have asked.... Will their be "offspring" in the New Heavens and New Earth? If so... this would imply that there may be much deeper, more intimate relationships than what is traditionally accepted in Christendom.

[shag]

The first thing that comes to my mind here, is in IsAiAh we're ( futurely?)gonna be working in heaven building houses(& planting vineyards), while so many sing songs of how he is building a mansion for us as we speak?

[Falla39]

Isaiah 64:4
4 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.

1 Cor 2:9,10
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by shag

The first thing that comes to my mind here, is in IsAiAh we're ( futurely?)gonna be working in heaven building houses(& planting vineyards), while so many sing songs of how he is building a mansion for us as we speak?

Shaq, the "mansions" spoken of are literally translated... "dwelling places". The same word was used for the larger community homes found in ancient Palastine wherein three or four families lived together in community under one roof. The "dwelling place" Christ is preparing is the New Earth, governed by the New Jerusalem. With an entire New Earth, things far exceed the notion of a "mansion" on a hillside.