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Old 05-13-2010, 01:09 PM
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Ferd, my husband and I were in a church for 4.5 years (in leadership, but not teaching positions), and when we left we were negatively labelled by some, to put it mildly. I remember my husband going with me to a local campmeeting (after we had left) with a little grizzle on his face, and a preacher asked my friend if he was backslid. LOL!!!!! He had come from work, and didn't even really think that much about it. We just happened to run into someone who knew us when we went to "that" church. Our luck!!!!

The best thing to do is take it with a grain of salt, and have a good sense of humor. Many of the people we went to church with there are still our friends, and some who weren't have gradually come around.
ding ding ding!

Been there too MissBrattified. and your answer is dead on.

I own who I am and I dont care what others say about it.
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Old 05-13-2010, 01:09 PM
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No... you didn't give that info. I think it's stupid how people do this stuff. I am friends with everyone from different churches and fellowship all the time. I know several baptist ministers that can tell you the same thing when it came to Calvinism and Arminian arguments. Talk about arguments and people leaving and praying for there lost souls. YIKES!
Maybe true for your Baptist friends. Most I know, including people like John Piper and Mark Driscoll, don't see these views as salvific. They both agree how one comes to salvation by faith. Arguing over the rest is the beauty of fellowship and community. I've heard more dialogue between groups these days...
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good for you. and I dont mind you saying it.

sometimes people need to be shaken up a bit.
Shame on you.
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Old 05-13-2010, 01:12 PM
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What's SHOCKING is your tone and response to a brother you don't know. Your speculation and rush to judgement is as poisonous as the community this man leaves behind.

He left THEM? Turning his back on THEM? I thought we were supposed to be honest between ourselves and God. But for you, personal loyality is more important than what is true. And as far as him teaching... just like many, he MAY have grown up in this, been brainwashed in this and now he realizes it's not all it's cracked up to be. There's an idea!

Here's a man that has years invested somewhere and he's -- yes SHOCKED -- that they are writing him off as Hell's baby because he's not living exactly as they are anymore. It's RIDICULOUS! It's BEYOND REBUKE. It's SICKENING and CULTIC. There, I said it.

In the end, yes, he shouldn't worry much about it. But that's so easy for us to toss out there when we aren't going through it. It's absolutely ridiculous that a family ever has to go through this at all and only points to a larger problem of a fear-charged, acidic, polluted, legalistic and unChristian culture of many of our churches.

Yea. he is clearly looking at leave them. They arent changing anything.

but what you dont get is that if this guy and I were to sit down and discuss it, I would very likely urge him to LEAVE that church. Why? because I am not a conservative and I suspect in a middle of the road church he will find a place that he fits better..


take your blinders off. Are you really shocked that some converative OPs are worried about somebody they consider is going "charismatic"?

really?
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Old 05-13-2010, 01:13 PM
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My home church is UPC..Apostolic Pentecostal that is why i mentioned them.
The church I am visiting has the same doctrinal standpoint as my home church but the pastor preaches modesty and expects the church to listen to God when it comes to their personal standards. Some women that attend look like any other UPC women but some have trimmed hair and wear pants. He lets it be a personal deal between you and God, not a rule of the church.

ever read .... what a difference a line makes? Well that is why people pray right or wrong. If what you say is true and I don't doubt that about the standards thing. Can you not understand that some in the other church would def view this as a negative and compromise? Not saying what is right or wrong but from a view point how could you not see this would not lead to false accusation, labeling or whatever knowing HOW humans are regardless of affiliation.
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Old 05-13-2010, 01:14 PM
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Yea. he is clearly looking at leave them. They arent changing anything.

but what you dont get is that if this guy and I were to sit down and discuss it, I would very likely urge him to LEAVE that church. Why? because I am not a conservative and I suspect in a middle of the road church he will find a place that he fits better..


take your blinders off. Are you really shocked that some converative OPs are worried about somebody they consider is going "charismatic"?

really?
Knowledge and existentially confronting it are not the same.

Why the exasperation, Ferd?
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Old 05-13-2010, 01:15 PM
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First of all anyone in leadership in a conservative church knows full well what is taught and what the general feelings are about Standards and salvation.

I find it VERY hard to believe that you are both in leadership in a conservative church and are shocked at the reaction you are getting when they find out you are thinking about "going Charismatic".

I am not for a second buying it.

as for my high horse, I get that way pretty quickly when I see people do what you are doing.

You own your actions bro. you do. not them. Don’t blame them for the reaction that anyone with any affiliation with conservatives know is natural in that setting.
The sooner you accept this is about YOU and not THEM, the better off you will be. Man up, make your decision and be happy with it.

Ok Im done with you..post elsewhere ha
I guess Im not shocked by them not wanting me to leave or them being upset that I might be what they consider "charismatic" but the way they are hadling is shocking....Speakign ill behind my back, sending crude emails, etc...that is shocking for me. I knew theywouldnt like it but I thought they would handle it with more tact and respect.

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Old 05-13-2010, 01:16 PM
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So my wife and I have decided to look into possibly attending a different church. We have always gone to an oneness UPC church and now we have decided to check things out at a different church. The church we have visited and are interested in preaches acts 2:38 and has had wonderful services every time we have visited. The church preaches the same message our church does but doesn’t seem to focus on the traditions our church focuses on. They seem to really love one another and are very welcoming when we visit.
MY pastor is aware of this decision and gave us his blessing to search for what it is we think we need. I have always been active in my church and have held positions and have always respected the rules because I was in leadership. I have decided I can’t do it anymore and I needed be true to who I am and my wife feels the same so this is the reason for our search.
Members of our current church heard we visited this other church and they are now praying for our salvation and have labeled us as backslidden and their faith in us has diminished..This was in an email I received from one of them.
How can this be?? I can’t believe people have this mentality.
Im writing this hear because I don’t in anyway want to offend those that go to my church or disrespect my Pastor but Im so confused...why on earth would people think this? DO we (UPC) tradition holders really think we are the only heaven bound people out there? Like I said we were just visiting and looking around with the POSSIBILITY of leaving but now why would we stay?
Its hurts to think people who have been friends with for so many years could turn their back on us so fast. I in no way would condemn them for holding certain traditions and staying where they are so what gives them the right to do it to me?
Anyway guess I just had to get it off my chest so I didn’t regret calling or emailing someone!...
Let's look at this through the perspective of someone who goes to your church.

Fact: Someone left their leadership position in their church and visited another church. Their Reaction: Why did that person do these things? Why not just stay at our church? Examining these question: There are 3 common reasons someone would want to leave a church they were established at and go to another.

Reason 1. The person backslid and didn't want anyone to find out about their sin.
Reason 2. A major falling out happened between them and someone in that church.
Reason 3. A change in beliefs. (Usually the change in beliefs is seen as a step backwards or letting false teaching into your life. This is usually considered a form of backsliding especially when the change in beliefs has to do with holiness/righteousness issues.)

It's really not hard to understand why they would think you have taken a step backwards in your faith.

Then again, when I left church I remember being just as amazed that no one else at my church could see that virtually all of the standards were not found in the bible. Was I looking down on their faith? I probably was in exactly the same way they were looking down on mine. Of course I wasn't thinking of them as taking a step backwards, I was thinking of them as not caring about taking a step forward.

What it boils down to is this: we must all follow the truth as we see it and pray that if we are in error that God will open our eyes. If God has opened your eyes then rejoice and be glad just never discount those that believe a little different. They may be exactly where God wants them to be also

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Old 05-13-2010, 01:16 PM
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ever read .... what a difference a line makes? Well that is why people pray right or wrong. If what you say is true and I don't doubt that about the standards thing. Can you not understand that some in the other church would def view this as a negative and compromise? Not saying what is right or wrong but from a view point how could you not see this would not lead to false accusation, labeling or whatever knowing HOW humans are regardless of affiliation.
Compromise of what? The Gospel? If so, that goes beyond preference, and sharing space with Judaizers. If compromise over their own traditions, then sure. They'd see it like that.

This man and his family have their souls being prayed for?
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Let's look at this through the perspective of someone who goes to your church.

Fact: Someone left their leadership position in their church and visited another church. Their Reaction: Why did that person do these things? Why not just stay at our church? Examining these question: There are 3 common reasons someone would want to leave a church they were established at and go to another.

Reason 1. The person backslid and didn't want anyone to find out about their sin.
Reason 2. A major falling out happened between them and someone in that church.
Reason 3. A change in beliefs. (Usually the change in beliefs is seen as a step backwards or letting false teaching into your life. This is usually considered a form of backsliding especially when the change in beliefs has to do with holiness/righteousness issues.)
Analytically sound.

Realistically, and in practice a tragedy that needs more than a non-shocked yawn. I say, let's be shocked!
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