When Are We Forgiven? - Page 8

Pressing-On · #71 03-23-2010, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

I'm not, but I'm sure the thread will end up there. This poll is the result of a discussion I was having with someone on another thread, so no, I'm not doing an end-around to get to another point. That's Timmy's specialty!

But, your first post includes this statement, of which I agree.

"Forgiveness does not take place at repentance. It happens at baptism:

That means it cannot be avoided in the question of salvation or on the topic of forgiveness. This person is stating that they believe forgiveness happens at baptism. Acts 2:38 says that you must repent AND BE baptism in order to receive remission (forgiveness) of your sins.

That's pretty elementary and I didn't need a poll to understand that one. LOL!

notofworks · #72 03-23-2010, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

But, your first post includes this statement, of which I agree.

"Forgiveness does not take place at repentance. It happens at baptism:

That means it cannot be avoided in the question of salvation or on the topic of forgiveness. This person is stating that they believe forgiveness happens at baptism. Acts 2:38 says that you must repent AND BE baptism in order to receive remission (forgiveness) of your sins.

That's pretty elementary and I didn't need a poll to understand that one. LOL!

Yeah, but that statement isn't mine. Someone else said that, and when that person did, the point was raised that very few would agree with that.

So I decided to see. Simple as that.

I believe that forgiveness AND salvation take place at repentance/belief. But that's not the point here.

Pressing-On · #73 03-23-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Yeah, but that statement isn't mine. Someone else said that, and when that person did, the point was raised that very few would agree with that.

So I decided to see. Simple as that.

I believe that forgiveness AND salvation take place at repentance/belief. But that's not the point here.

That's fine. I agree with the statement. Don't care what the polls show. I'll stick with what I read in the Bible.

notofworks · #74 03-23-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

That's fine. I agree with the statement. Don't care what the polls show. I'll stick with what I read in the Bible.

Oh brother. So you're gonna stick with the bible and the rest of us poor saps are just gonna form our own belief system? Thanks.

MrsMcD · #75 03-23-2010, 01:18 PM

If forgiveness doesn't happen until baptism, what is the point of repenting before baptism?

notofworks · #76 03-23-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MrsMcD

If forgiveness doesn't happen until baptism, what is the point of repenting before baptism?

Please do not, I repeat, DO NOT, bring logic into this discussion. We're stickin' with the bible here, sister!

n david · #77 03-23-2010, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Oh my goodness, gracious, great balls of fire! LOL!

Am I wrong ... look below....

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Act 5:31 "Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

I don't see baptism listed here. I show repentance = forgiveness. To say otherwise is a stretch.

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Acts 2:38 "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

Obviously we'll disagree on this. I don't see it as first this, then this, then this. I've seen people get the HG without first being baptized. That really throws your steps off!

NotforSale · #78 03-23-2010, 01:27 PM

Forgiveness may occur even before one has admitted to sin, or repented.

The Adulterous woman that was cast at Jesus' feet. "Neither do I condemn thee"

Those that crucified Jesus. "Father, forgive them"

Was Stephens prayer granted? "Lord, lay not this sin to their charge."

MrsMcD · #79 03-23-2010, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Please do not, I repeat, DO NOT, bring logic into this discussion. We're stickin' with the bible here, sister!

My bad

Pressing-On · #80 03-23-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MrsMcD

If forgiveness doesn't happen until baptism, what is the point of repenting before baptism?

It is to earnestly acknowledge our sins are our own and to have a full sense of our sins and to be ready to own it. We are taking the whole blame upon ourselves and not laying them to the charge of any man or God.

In a word - acknowledgment. That is key.